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December 18, 2014

What happened to the moderates?

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  • Jake Buckner posted at 6:44 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    Since "extreme" is a subjective, emotionally charged term, it's probably better for me to just say he's too far right to get my vote. Most TX republicans are too far right for me; he's just the most visible and notable, and the only one with a chance to be the presidential nominee.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 5:17 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2777

    The lame-stream media has labeled Ted as an "extremist". Can you name me one thing he has done that can be considered extreme? Yes, he had an extended time at the podium and read "Green Eggs and Ham" but that was not extreme. His actions were to defund Obamacare. He ran for the Senate on that platform. I guess if you call that "extreme" then every Texan who voted for Cruz must be considered "extreme". I guess today's media would call Senator Jefferson Smith (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington played byJimmy Stewart) an extremist too.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 4:15 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    carlos -- Here's my prediction: Come 2016, you'll be right. Ted will be so middle-of-the-road you won't recognize him. Why? Because he'll have to in order to be nominated. Maybe not a true RINO, but closer to the middle. And you'll vote for him anyway. Maybe I will too.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 2:33 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2777

    Ted more extreme than BO? No way, Jake, NO WAY! Too bad you've bought the lame-stream media's demonization of Senator Cruz. Watch out for Hillary. She'll run like she's in the middle but don't let that disguise fool you. Just look at the failed Hillarycare.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 1:56 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    carlos, I understand that in your circle Cruz is mainstream. For me, he's an extremist. Yes, more extreme than Obama. As for Reid and Pelosi, neither would have a ghost of a chance on the national stage. None. No reason to bring them into this discussion.

    Extremists do much better at the Senate/House/Governor level because the voting public is less "moderated" by the leveling power of huge numbers. I'd say it's rare for an extremist to be elected president. And by extremist I mean those defined as such on the national stage -- not those considered mainstream in TX or CA. I'm not the political observer you are, but I'd say it almost never happens. The best example I know of is the aforementioned BHO, who turned out to be more liberal than he appeared when running for election.

    If the repubs nominate as experienced a politician and public servant as Hillary, the trail of bodies might be just as long...

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 1:02 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2777

    More extreme than Barack Hussein Obama? Democrats nominate extremists like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama and they win. Republicans run timid and scared if one of their number is called an extremist. Call one of them an extremist and suddenly they are not worthy of nomination? In my circle Ted Cruz is mainstream.
    As for Hillary there is a long trail of bodies that did not begin with Vince Foster nor will it end with four dead Americans in Ben Ghazi.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 12:46 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    The same was wrong with Sarah Palin as the guy we elected -- no experience on anything close to a big stage. Among other things. But at the time it was a genius move, and to me made the repub ticket more palatable. If Palin had been governor of TX, or really any mainstream red state, she might have been a good nominee -- better than McCain.

    Chris Christie might be a mess; I doubt we really know yet. Jeb Bush wouldn't have a prayer against Hillary (IMO) -- who I would say is as moderate a dem as there is. Ted Cruz is a much more interesting candidate, but too extreme for me.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 12:06 pm on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2777

    McCain -not our best candidates that year but the "Moderates" liked him because he was willing to "reach across the aisle". And poor Sarah Palin, so demonized by the lefties. Nothing wrong with her. There are a lot of ignorant people out there who confused Tina Fey's skits with the actual Sarah Palin. My cousin to this day still claims that it was Sarah who said she could see Russia from her house when it was actually a SNL skit with Tina Fey. And now the "moderates" want us to nominate Chis Christie or Jeb Bush. We need to move the Texas primary in 2016 up so those Yankees don't decide who our next candidate will be. Iowa and New Hampshire both went for Obama so they are not good barometers on who the Republicans want.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 10:50 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    You're right about VPs. They should at least be part of the equation, and I think they are for a certain segment of voters. Johnson is a great example of how impactful they can be. Ford did his part well also. (Altho many will never forgive him for the Nixon pardon.)

    I have to chide you on your vote for McCain, although every one of my friends voted for him. He's mad as a hatter. Very mixed messages from that man. He actually forced me to vote for Obama in '08, something I never would have done if a better Republican had run. That's how dangerous I thought McCain was. And Palin, my God! I would rather have had Tina Fey. I'd like to have a beer with Palin, though. Talk fishing and hunting...

     
  • TX Native posted at 10:30 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    TX Native Posts: 40

    Exactly!

     
  • TX Native posted at 10:29 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    TX Native Posts: 40

    Moderate is a synonym for Independent and vice versa.

    Wishy-washy and flip-flop are both slang in standard American English.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:11 am on Fri, Apr 25, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3718

    Response to Jake Buckner posted at 6:31 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014:

    Seems as though the 1st Bush was moderate, intelligent. Too bad the economic circumstances weren't in his favor, and thus was a cause of him being only a one-termer. Kennedy appeared to be a moderate, but way before my time too.

    Despite what the extremists here think, I actually voted for McCain because I felt he would have been more presidential. I looked past Palin in that consideration, since we experienced Dan Quayle in years past. And, we're all still here. Seems as though the vice-Presidents aren't viewed as crucial as perhaps we should make them out to be.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 6:31 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    carlos, first of all, my vote is my business. I'll use whatever criteria suits me to make my decision.

    Second, we must have different definitions of moderate. Mine has nothing to do with wishy-washy. Mine means a lack of extremism, that's all.

    Here's a list of presidential candidates I have viewed as moderate, during my voting career: Richard Nixon, Ronald Regan, both Bushes, Bill Clinton. Al Gore was too left. If Ted Cruz runs, he will be too right. Kennedy was before my time, but he would fit my moderate list. So would Ford, had he run. Goldwater was too right.

    I have a tough time taking anyone far left or far right seriously. I see it as a sign they are either 1) not thinking, or 2) pandering. In Texas we have to be particularly careful of politicians pandering to voters.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:34 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2777

    Jake , so you would vote for someone who was for something before he was against it, then was for it then was against it, then ..... depends on which way the wind is blowing. In other words "wishy-washy".

     
  • sverige1 posted at 1:13 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3718

    Shameful that Gabby Giffords received unduly pain and a subsequent decision to have to resign. From what many have said, she had been a true public servant.

    I imagine there are others like that around. Kay Bailey Hutcheson appeared to have been. Ag commissioner Hightower too. He's a great columnist now.

     
  • miceal o'laochdha posted at 1:12 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    miceal o'laochdha Posts: 566

    For one man, "moderate" = rational, common sense.
    For another, "moderate" = lukewarm and a little sticky.
    For some others, "moderate" = an easy Trick.

    I expect there is a bit of truth in all of them, depending on the subject and the individual.

     
  • gecroix posted at 1:11 pm on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3258

    All talk.
    No walk.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 11:29 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    I find myself agreeing with IslandRunner. Everyone should be an independent. That's what I am.

    But then hardly anyone would vote, because then they'd have to do their homework.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    Not this one.

     
  • mickphalen posted at 11:17 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    mickphalen Posts: 398

    Political parties have pretty much turned the way of big government, big business, big unions - singularly focused on money and power.

    Find out what that person is going to do with that power, and our money. Labels, at all levels of elected officials, have lost all meaning to me.

     
  • mickphalen posted at 11:07 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    mickphalen Posts: 398

    Liberals - Like government solutions to problems, but think someone else should pay for them.

    Moderates - Are OK with government programs and are willing to pay for them, to a point.

    Generally, the uninformed voter falls into one of the above groups.

    Conservatives - Believe government should be last resort problem solvers (following family, charities, and churches), and limited by Constitutions and Charters owned by the citizens.

    Libertarians - Individual liberty above all.

     
  • Island Runner posted at 11:01 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Island Runner Posts: 401

    Fact is everyone should be an independent. The GOP and the DEM are far right and left to some degree. Most people I know are somewhere in between. If the GOP could get rid of the Tea Baggers and the DEMS the far left we would have two decent parties.

     
  • IHOG posted at 10:23 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    Jake.

    A moderate can't decide until they learn what the mob thinks.

     
  • IHOG posted at 10:20 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    Moderate?
    Would be nice if the present regime was moderate. The Progressives running America now are the most extreme to have ever been elected.
    Most moderates seem to be better at following the leader than leading. Never having an opinion until they know what others think.
    Strong willed independents are always better than any mushey moderate.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 10:17 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3718

    Well, I'm definitely with Jane on this. I too have a family where many have voted Republican. But, not now.

    Now, I disagree with the "most democrats are left-wing extremists". There are quite a few upwardly mobille congressional districts where the voters want to upkeep their semblance of affluency, and they appreciate and live the American dream.

    Go to many suburbs outlying Houston, Denver, Boston, any major city - and you'll see intelligent, Liberal, American-loving people.

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 9:30 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1767

    "A moderate is someone who simply has no strong values, one way or the other."

    This is a load of crap and you know it. A moderate is a person who thinks rather than blindly following a doctrine.

     
  • gecroix posted at 9:29 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3258

    Anyone can see that what has been done for the last five years is best for the country.

    The country of China.
    The country of Russia.
    The country of Iran.
    The cou......

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:25 am on Thu, Apr 24, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2777

    So you'll vote for a Democrat. Well most Democrats are left wing extremists. Joe Lieberman is an exception to the rule and once he read the polls, Bill Clinton moderated a bit but most are on the extreme left. Oh, they'll run like moderates but vote or govern like extremists. A moderate is someone who simply has no strong values, one way or the other. Show me where you stand. Show me your values. No post-election surprises.