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September 30, 2014

Let’s teach responsibility, not dependence

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  • sverige1 posted at 6:15 pm on Fri, Aug 22, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3440

    Response to kevjlang posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, Aug 22, 2014:

    Now we must remember the notion that getting jobs started falling off when the blasted Civil Rights mumbojumbo got started by that good for nothin' dem LBJ. Ever since then this country has gone to hell in a handbasket. Now everyone wants "rights" to marry whomever (I bet even to marry animals)! Rights to collect somethin' for nothin'! All these Obama voters on welfare and Lone Star cards, And the elite Dems using them as ways to keep 'em down. I tell ya. And welcoming those imm-grants so they can also join the "progressive" movement and become more uninformed Obama and Hillary voters. That's how Rome started falling, just read ur hist'ry. [note sarcasms]

     
  • kevjlang posted at 2:36 pm on Fri, Aug 22, 2014.

    kevjlang Posts: 2940

    I think so. The party of choice is the one that gets credit for creating jobs, and the other party gets credit for losing jobs. It doesn't matter that political parties only create jobs for precinct canvassers and pundits.

    I appreciate you clearing up that the reason for all of the job losses in the auto industry, as an example, is because Obama is president. All this time, I though it was because people weren't buying cars from those companies. What makes that more puzzling to me is that Ford, GM, and Chrysler were laying of entire production lines before Obama was even nominated. Amazing foresight, I guess.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 12:47 pm on Fri, Aug 22, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    Obama's economy got rid of many jobs.
    Red States created many jobs through Conservative practices.
    Obama took credit for jobs created by Red states. SPIKE THE FOOTBALL TIME!
    Voting in Wendy Davis would not entirely undermine the Texas economy but will damage it. Texas economy will be destroyed with a Democratic Lt. Governor and state legislature.
    With some exceptions, people usually move with their families since the Texas cost of living is lower than blue states.
    Now do you get it?

     
  • kevjlang posted at 12:27 pm on Fri, Aug 22, 2014.

    kevjlang Posts: 2940

    You mean Obama didn't get rid of the jobs? I suppose you've confirmed that there are more than enough jobs available in the Red States fracking and pipelining to employ all the billions that Obama has unemployed in 5-1/2 years? Interesting. So, the solution to all the problems is to have all those unemployed liberals move to Texas, get jobs fracking and voting in Davis?

    I keep hearing that Obama got rid of all the jobs, and about all that's out there is bad jobs paying minimum wage. But, you're saying that during his presidency, he's actually failed to eliminate good paying jobs, and actually during his presidency, we actually have more than enough jobs if people would just move away from their families.

    I think I've been caught up in the whirlwind of spin, and now I don't know what the reality is.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 10:09 am on Fri, Aug 22, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    Notice that blue states have higher unemployment rates. Ferguson, Missouri has an unemployment rate (reported) of 13%. The actual rate is higher. Unemployed people are heading to the promised land -TEXAS! Head toward the panhandle and get a job fracking for oil. More jobs will be made available if Obama will quit listening to the Eco-lobbyist and let the pipeline through. Funny, I thought he campaigned against lobbyist in 2008. Are you frightened by pipelines? Don't go to Galveston County - PLENTY of Pipelines here!

     
  • kevjlang posted at 9:42 am on Fri, Aug 22, 2014.

    kevjlang Posts: 2940

    I thought Obama got rid of all the jobs. If there are no jobs, then where are these unemployed people supposed to get one?

     
  • sverige1 posted at 5:31 pm on Thu, Aug 21, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3440

    Hey JBG -

    Have you ever seen the movie "Devil Dog, Hound from Hell"? Richard Crenna, Yvette Mimeaux. It's a real "scream". Richard Crenna whooped that Devil Dog in the end. Whoop!

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 8:38 am on Thu, Aug 21, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    Proverbs 22:6 Train the young in the way they should go; even when old, they will not swerve from it.
    "Adhering to strict religious dogma is never a good thing." WRONG.
    " I wonder if you and JBG keep very narrow social circles and don't realize there's many "non-believers" out there." “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad that leads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many." Matthew 7:13
    God is a LOVING GOD and HE would rather NOT condemn but there is a HELL for those who chose the wrong path.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 8:23 am on Thu, Aug 21, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3440

    So, carlosrponce -

    If your son or daughter came up to you and said, "Dad, I'm not feeling good about this Jesus thing. I think I am an athiest and this Gospel stuff is mumbojumbo." Would you REALLY tell your child that he/she will be condemned?

    Wouldn't you think that by telling your child he/she is doomed and condemned to this alleged "hell" that he/she will thereafter very likely have very little to do with you? Adhering to strict religious dogma is never a good thing. I wonder if you and JBG keep very narrow social circles and don't realize there's many "non-believers" out there. Or how about this.....what if your child said he/she was agnostic, and/or didn't believe in the Catholic God, but rather a more Universalist ideology where God may or may not exist, and that God (he/she) is - if he/she indeed exists - is a loving God, and not a damning God?

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 6:38 am on Thu, Aug 21, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    False doctrine and false teachings must be challenged otherwise our silence condones them. Perhaps I can never change the heart of the one who wrote them but these forums go out to the whole world. Remember the command “Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned." Mark 16: 15-16

     
  • Jbgood posted at 9:40 pm on Wed, Aug 20, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 1955

    Mr. Ponce,
    You are one of the few, whose knowledge about the Word Of God I respect! I have checked you out and YOU sir know what you are talking about, but help me with this.
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    Jesus commanded us to preach and teach the Word, to go to other lands or help others to go to other lands to carry the gospel, but nowhere do I recall HIM telling the church to preach and teach to devils, and to the ignorant who is hell bent on staying ignorant! Maybe I'm wrong, if so, help me and pray for me please. Meanwhile I refer you to these scriptures:
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    Matthew 16:23
    "But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."
    ( He was commanding the devil who was influencing Peter's unacceptable actions ).
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    I Corinthians 14:38
    "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." ( You can see an example of this right here on this thread. )
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    So then, If a individual don't know God, and won't be taught by those who are sent by God to teach, or won't even LET SOMEBODY "LEARN'EM A #*^*) "thang",....
    (East Texas for Thing ).....then I tend to ignore such individuals and allow their fate to consume them! Such as the case with this guy who calls God "Imaginary" and
    Jesus a MUMMY!
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    The problem with this joker is he has yet to publicly repent and if their is no repentant by a Christian, the sin remains. A non-believer does not even have that luxury. No sir I will not preach to a devil, now he can gleam off what I say to others, but that is all he will get from me! I don't teach devils,....I command them! ( That is revelation knowledge "rat" there. )
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    I'm done with this guy, until next time. his fate is sealed in my opinion, he has blasphemed the Holy GHOST,...More than once too. ( Matthew 12:31-32 )
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    31) And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32) Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
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    I feel sorry for him, but not that one he ALLOWS to control him!

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:15 pm on Wed, Aug 20, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    That's your problem sverige. Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) is my personal Savior. I have a one-on-one relationship with Him. I love my Savior and He loves me. I have the promise of Eternal Life through the promises of the Gospel. I am not perfect, I am not sinless. But as a Christian I am forgiven. Fear of the Lord does not mean cowering in a corner hiding from Him in trepidation. Fear of the Lord means fear of letting Him down. I live each day in eager anticipation of pleasing the Lord and doing His will. There is temptation all around but redemption abounds should I falter.
    Likewise many wrongs have been done by those calling themselves Catholic and Christian. I am not responsible for them, just for myself. Pope John Paul II went to Wailing Wall and asked for forgiveness for the wrongs done in the name of the Church or by Church leaders.
    "And He walks with me and He talks with me
    And He tells me I am His own
    And the joy we share as we tarry there
    None other has ever known"

     
  • sverige1 posted at 6:14 pm on Wed, Aug 20, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3440

    Well, ponce...I think God has bigger fishes to fry than to worry about a few words written on a comment forum. Neither you, nor I, nor JBG know if any of us have already committed some heinous sin that has already "struck us out" of divine Heaven.

    And, the reason the Catholic Church has been "attacked" is simply because it is the largest Christian organization in the world, quite centralized, and has spent many milleniums committing as many barbaric acts as other religions. No more, no less.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 11:45 am on Wed, Aug 20, 2014.

    kevjlang Posts: 2940

    Totally understand and agree. Merely pointing out that government isn't the only way to waste your "charitable" contribution dollars. Your tax dollars are not the only way you can little bang for the buck. Perhaps, too, if we were better watchdogs on how our government spends social service dollars, we could get performance that yields a much better return on investment. Yes, it probably will never match charities, since the govt pays both the "fundraisers" but also everyone else in the chain. Not many volunteers in government service.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 10:23 am on Wed, Aug 20, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    That's why you should research who you give to and question how the money is spent.There are three main charity watchdog agencies: the American Institute of Philanthropy, Charity Navigator and the Better Business Bureau's Wise Giving Alliance. Although each of the agencies uses a different methodology for rating charities, they all utilize the charity's financial documents, particularly the charity's tax return Form 990, as their information source. The American Institute of Philanthropy is a non-profit organization that rates all charitable organizations, regardless of whether they are a 501(c)(3). It assigns letter grades from A-F to charities based on their review. The review is based on the charity's fundraising efficiency, available years of assets and the portion of funds spent on the charitable purpose. Generally, charities spending at least 75 percent of their income on the purpose, using a maximum of $35.00 to raise $100.00 and with at least three years of available assets are given 'A' ratings.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 10:03 am on Wed, Aug 20, 2014.

    kevjlang Posts: 2940

    There are reports that indicate how much of charitable donations actually make their way to serve those in need. Some organizations aren't much, if at all, more effective in delivering services than some of the government agencies. I think if more people looked at the performance metrics of charitable organizations, they'd probably cringe at how some of their favorite charities are spending their money.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 6:38 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    That's the spirit pflinn! When individuals give, the needy get all the money or a pretty high percentage. Somehow when the government gets involved and uses tax money to "help the poor" that money gets lost in the bureaucracy. The United States spends $20,610 per poor person or $61,830 per poor family of three.
    http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA694.pdf

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 6:28 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    I don't want to justify the church's lack of attention towards the abuse of young people nor condone their actions but if you look at the actual statistics there is a higher occurrence per capita among non-Catholic clergy of abuse. It is just "fashionable" to attack the Catholic Church as we will not strike back but turn the other cheek. The church-state will be here with the return of Jesus and He will reign supreme. You should not condemn Jbgood for his posts. He has been chosen to spread the Good News of Salvation and warn people much as John the Baptist did. He will be held responsible for what he has written as will you.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 5:32 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3440

    Response to Jbgood posted at 3:27 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014,
    Response to carlosrponce posted at 2:15 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014:

    Well, religious dogma is alive and well in 2014. No one as a mortal living and breathing right now as a human being can determine who is going to be an entry to an "overjoyed hell". JBG, that is presumptuous on your part to think that such practical and realistic analysis on my behalf is anything other than good intention to dialogue regarding the modern-day challenge to teach responsibility to young ones.

    As for ponce...Sure, there's good people attending church, but with the corruption of the Church (and I didn't even mention the travesties of the Church's 'hush hush' over pedophilia toward young boys) we must realize that the goal to teach children values isn't an "end-all" easy answer via church life.

    If it were that easy, then the USA being the most resourceful country would have decided that having a church-state would be the way to go. But, the last I checked, we're not Iran and the Ayatollah is dead.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 3:27 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 1955

    You can always depend on some "devil" from hell, employed and loyal to SATAN himself, to come forth and misrepresent and misinterpret scripture in order to deceive the masses. How can one who calls the almighty GOD an imaginary god, and Jesus Christ a "MUMMY".....PUBLICLY....and on this forum, expect anybody with half a brain to listen to any garbage spewing from them concerning the gospel?
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    I don't believe any inebriated fool would be so "dimwitted" enough to imbibe any fecal, nauseating communication coming from such a devil's mouth! Hell is going to be over-joyed to receive such people.
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    The author was right! GO GET A *&^) JOB! Get in the word and find out who you are then determine what you are, and stop leaching off the truly poor! I find such people as these who practice this, and those who condone such behavior UNCONCIONABLE AND THEIR ACTS INCOMPREHENSIBLE!

     
  • gecroix posted at 2:35 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    Personally, I'm quite happy that being Christian doesn't require me to be gullible, stupid, codependent, and/or accepting of criminal or immoral behavior. I leave that to the secular 'progressives'...
    I'll gladly forgive such abherant behavior, but right after the cell door locks...
    It is a moral failing to refuse to stand for what is right, and to be so weak of character as to allow the work of evil to go unchallenged...or, to facilitae it.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 2:15 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    As Christians we do give to the poor. You're barking up the wrong tree. Statistics show Conservatives give more than their Liberal counterparts.
    If it were not for women, the Catholic churches would be empty each Sunday. They encourage their husbands and children to attend. They fill the pews with their wonderful children.
    The Catholic Church welcomes ALL to hear the word of the Lord. If THEY are uncomfortable with Sacred Scripture, we cannot change "The Word of the Lord". "[P]ursuing life's happiness" means following the Lord Jesus. If they choose another path, we will pray for them, not condemn them. Your concept of "reality" is temporal. God created time for our benefit. For us, God "is", "was" and "will be". "When we've been here ten thousand years...
    bright shining as the sun. We've no less days to sing God's praise...
    then when we've first begun." God is not limited to a temporal existence.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3440

    A true "Christian" will gladly give to the poor and not bellyache about the populace who finds reasons not to work. Folks who don't want to work or don't want to make a contribution to society need Christian understanding and a guiding hand toward mental health and eventual work ethic. Isn't that the Christian principle? Blessed are they, the poor in spirit, they shall inherit the earth, as the saying goes.

    Now, for some reality in regard to the Catholic Church: Although today it appears there's great positivity with the new Pope, the fact remains that for centuries the Church played a big role in contributing to the oppression of the underprivileged, crusades, slaughtering, mistreatment of non-Catholics, women, etc. To cast a wide net and equate the Church with great charitable deeds is glossing over the troubled history of such a large organization. Just remember that the "charity" the Church and many other churches like it come at a price. Some of that "price" is to still keep the women from progressing, to keep gays/lesbians and transgenders from pursuing their life's happiness.

    It's good and well to help the poor, but many of these churches (Catholic, Protestant, non-Christian) are throwbacks to a society long gone. In their charities, they don't address the complexities of birth control, social diversity, and civil liberties. A true giver to the poor will address these complexities, be all-accepting, very much like the Univeralists of today, for example, strive to do. It's the teaching of "reality" in the 21st century, along with the responsibility.

     
  • gecroix posted at 10:31 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    Not everyone claiming to be poor, is.
    Not everyone taking from others deserves it.
    Not everyone living on assistance has to.
    One problem is telling the real from the fake, then doing something about it once determined.
    The other problem is not believing that people taking what they do not deserve is a problem.
    The differences are that most conservatives are happy to give to the truly needy who for whatever reason cannot do for themselves, and this is born out when a casual look at who does the most charitable giving in this country, but darned unhappy about scammers and layabouts taking what we have sweated for.
    'Progressives' are just happy to give away money to anyone claiming to need it, but more times than not it's other people's money, not their own.
    imho

     
  • pflinn posted at 9:07 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    pflinn Posts: 250

    I actually agree with the article telling all of us to teach responsibility and independence. I only object to the last line of the article.

    However, I do not mind giving to the poor, if it truly is going to help the poor and needy who cannot work for some reason, such as veterans that come home from war with physical or mental disabilities. We need for society to help take care of some people. No one wants to be poor and have bills that they cannot pay.

    I get some satisfaction from helping the poor and disabled. The person who wrote this letter, obviously, does not. I am not "you people," and I do not believe that I am entitled to anything that I have not worked for or paid for. So, you will just have to ask someone else.

    The first event we used to have at my grade school was an event to raise money for the missions. I am used to sharing what I have, with unfortunate people, from a very early age. That was my upbringing. That doesn't mean I want to give it all away. That just means that I am willing to do more, or to pay more, to help other people who cannot do or pay for themselves.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 9:01 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2340

    pflinn, "Wall Street" is just a movie. Everyone knows the Chinese own most of this country's wealth. Remember that movie is put out by Hollywood - a "Left" Coast industry, "Left" in more ways than one. Remember, Conservatives give more to charities than Liberals and Liberals on the average have more money than their Conservative counterparts, especially those in the movie industry. Think of that before you point the finger of "greed".

     
  • bvresident posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1238

    pfinn, do you have anything factual to support your opinion? What you're quoting is pure, unadulterated Hollywood B.S. from people who despise Wall St. even while they cling to their wealth and phony lives.

    Why do you people believe you are entitled to what belongs to someone else regardless of how they obtained it?

     
  • bvresident posted at 8:40 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1238

    Hey IR, here's a sample of the Left-wing lunacy that allegedly supports freedom to speak your mind.


    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/activist-encourages-defacement-cover-paul-ryans-book_803424.html

     
  • pflinn posted at 8:21 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    pflinn Posts: 250

    Sounds like"Ive got mine, and I don't want anyone telling me to share it with you," mentality. That last line implies that he doesn't want his taxes going to help poor people, because he doesn't get anything out of it. Awwww! Poor baby!
    Gordon Gekko said it best in the movie "Wall Street":

    "The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation. It's bull***t. You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal. The news, war, peace, famine, upheaval, the price per paper clip. We pick that rabbit out of the hat while everybody sits out there wondering how the hell we did it. Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy? It's the free market. And you're a part of it. You've got that killer instinct. Stick around pal, I've still got a lot to teach you. "

    The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good.

     
  • Island Runner posted at 7:34 am on Tue, Aug 19, 2014.

    Island Runner Posts: 401

    Must be GOP to much bitter hatred to be anything else.