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August 21, 2014

Cruz’s antics led to shutdown

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  • sverige1 posted at 7:20 am on Fri, Nov 1, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Response to mytoby3113 posted at 4:44 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013:

    I'd like to see just once the Cruzter trying to do a day of manual labor. He wouldn't make it. He needs to get some sun and hit the gym. Really a shame, because he's not that old.

    Although Señor Cruz is undeservedly in the more "prestigious" senatorial section, I often wonder how House leader Boner was unable to get his conservative republican underlings to work within the system - to eventually avoid the whole stalemate. Seems like not too many folks talk about it, but the House needs a different leader. Then again, by this year's elections, Pelosi might get back her post, as I forsee many republican House members losing their elections due to a disenchanted electorate.

     
  • mytoby3113 posted at 4:44 pm on Thu, Oct 31, 2013.

    mytoby3113 Posts: 321

    All the Rep. including Mr. Cruz, had a Plan and it backfired on them. They were so busy trying to make the President look bad. The HOUSE-Speaker has no GUTS. They forgot what each other was suppose to do.Now they are all pointing fingers at each other for the SHUTDOWN. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
    Justm saying.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 1:31 pm on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Response to carlosrponce posted at 7:49 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013:

    I beg to differ regarding one's reluctance to learn Spanish because of "its many dialects". That's what makes the language so grand. Not only that, we gringos can be a fifth column, so to speak, in regard to the rich variances in the language.

    In my years of casually "picking up" on the language, it's interesting to hear the many idioms, play on words and to guess at their origins. This is coming from someone who had NO incentive to learn Spanish - only to learn some simply because we live in Texas. And, living in Texas gives us all the upperhand if we can talk to more Spanish-speaking folks, regardless of their dialect, origins, et cetera.

    Pasty Face Cruz didn't want to pick up on Spanish simply because it didn't benefit him financially nor socially. He appears to have an identity problem. After all, to be from Canada, have "roots" in Cuba, yet not speak the language - and the reject his Canadian citizenship....well, this individual seems to have lots of issues. I'm surprised he made it to the senatorial category. Either way, he is not Presidential.

    BTW, old George Bush's faux pax regarding "the little brown ones" was more of a generational-originated mistake. Folks of the WWII era spoke like that a lot. In today's time, to refer to children as the "little brown ones" is demeaning. After all, we don't call Will Smith's adopted baby "the little white Moldavian" baby.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:09 am on Wed, Oct 30, 2013.

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    Response to carlosrponce posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013:

    carlosponce -
    You do know that in "scripture" there were many of Jesus' followers (including Jesus himself) who were way past the age of marriage and fatherhood. Many of His people were not suitable for the "traditional" style of living. That's how our world is - we have folks who do what makes them happy, love who their heart leads them to..

    I would think that's a true Tea Party ideal - to allow self-sufficiency and freedom. THAT'S why the TeaParty is hypocritical. They only want "freedom" in the sense of judeo-christian, Anglo values only. Interesting to notice that most folks of the minority persuasion, Jewish, Gay/Lesiban, Muslim faith are not Tea Party "followers". That's probably because the movement scares the bejeebies out of them. And rightly so. Just reading your statement about "it's in the scriptures" alienates millions of human beings in this world. Many of them fine, upstanding individuals who do indeed hold moral and altruistic values, just not the knee jerk fundamental christian ideals.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 8:19 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    Amen! I said Amen! I can't never say that sverige1 did not try to work with me,...and I appreciate that! Now we got to get him membership in the Tea Party! It can happen...sure it can!

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:49 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    So Ted is more comfortable speaking in English. sverige, while in high school I took German instead of Spanish. I could have aced Spanish with my background but I wanted a challenge. Not only did I get an A in German I and II but I also lettered in it. The problem with Spanish is the different dialects and idioms that are used even within the country of Mexico, much less Puerto Rican, Cuban, or Castillian Spanish. Both my parents had trouble communicating when traveling to their native Mexico. Slang terms creep into the language, words take on unintended meanings. Like Ted I can understand most Spanish if spoken properly and slowly but prefer American English. Also try looking at British TV. You need a subtitle at times. "He left the torch on the bonnet of the lorry in the car park" means "He left the flashlight on the hood of the truck in the parking lot." A common language can lead to misunderstanding. Remember when the liberal media chastised George H. W. Bush for referring to Jeb's kid as his little brown ones? When translated into Spanish it came out as a term of endearment.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    There are some in my family who have wandered away from the Catholic faith. I will pray that they will keep the faith and return one day. But for now it is their choice. They seek God in a different way than I do. Ted Cruz is now A Southern Baptist. I have no problem with that. Some of my best friends are Southern Baptists. By definition, marriage is the recognized union of a man and a woman. The term "gay/lesbian marriage" is an oxymoron. I know of such couples who live happily together without calling it a marriage. They are called unions or partnerships. Why are you so hung up on a word? If it is because of civil benefits under the law these can be extended through legislation. I will not judge these people. I will leave it up to God but I will point out what is written in scripture.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 12:41 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    JBG wrote -

    "APOLOGIZE NOW,for maligning senator Cruz's name".

    Mister Tedster Cruz, I apologize for your irresponsible behavior and of your being partly responsible for the governmental shutdown. You are one of God's creatures, so I only wish non-malignment of your character and soul from here on out.

    ==end of apology

     
  • sverige1 posted at 12:30 pm on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Response to Jbgood posted at 11:07 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013:

    Yes, there is "reasoning" behind what I say about the Cruzster. It's one thing for him to not have had the opportunity to continue his family's 1st language. But: He turned his back on his people by aligning himself with the anti-immigrant ideals of the TeaPartiers.

    From what I know of you, JBG - you have not turned your back on your fellow Americans.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 11:07 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    Okay then tell me this,....why is it so unfortunate that Senator Cruz did not choose to acquire a measure of proficiency in the Spanish language at AGE 42, and it is not unfortunate that OLE JBG chose not to acquire any proficiency in an African language? I talk with Africans all the time,....but I am from "A-M-E-R-I-C-A! I have no obligation to speak their languages! It would be good and enlightening to be able to, but I am not less of who I am because I don't. Neither is Senator Cruz because he speaks no Spanish.
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    Senator Cruz is of Cuban decent, but was not born in Cuba! Listen to me now, I said listen to me,...one of old JBG's bloodlines stems from AFRICA, BUT I WAS NOT BORN IN AFRICA! So where is the reasoning in what you are saying about Senator Cruz?
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    NOPE! Don't answer that! There are none! I have different family members who are, as we say, "DIFFERENT!" So, what about them,...is it alarming,..that they have shown no inclination to speak Spanish,...or whatever language their bloodlines comes from! Naw! Naw! Let me tell you what you should do, and I say this with great concern for the upheaval and war, which is being conducted on the inside of you, by your conscience and soul,...APOLOGIZE NOW,for maligning senator Cruz's name.
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    You don't have to post a book, or say a lot! Just say I am sorry Senator!!!! You don't even have to put Cruz on the end! How "BOUT" it?
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    Cual es su respuesta? Hablar rapido!

     
  • sverige1 posted at 9:17 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

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    Response to carlosrponce posted at 8:30 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013:

    A mere inquiry to whether Cruz abandoned his Catholic roots is only asking, not judging.

    However, for Cruz to be part of a group (Tea Party) who won't support gay/lesbian marriage, that is hypocritical. He won't let them be "happy". By the way, doesn't it bother you that there's hundreds of thousands of ex-Catholics (mostly Hispanic) who abandon their beautiful tradition-ladened faith and join non-traditional sects?

    I would think that you as a good Catholic would be disappointed by that. I'm very dissapointed whenever someone abandons his/her heritage. That's not judging, that's simply feeling bad for somone in an empathatical fashion.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 8:44 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    There's a BIG difference between being socially responsible and socially dependent. The article inferred dependence on government assistance. My father taught me INDEPENDENCE. Government is there only to help those in dire need. Like Ronald Reagan said "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" And I am not telling a Dane "to go back to his country", I just want everyone to be happy! If you cannot achieve happiness in this country then Goodbye, Adios. (Goodbye is short for God be with Ye, Adios is short for Vaya con Dios or Go with God.)

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 8:30 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    There you go again judging others.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:47 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Response to Rockstrongo posted at 7:31 am on Wed, Oct 23, 2013:

    So unfortunate that I didn't see your post from way last week. Just my point, Cruz should defend and support HIS OWN Hispanic heritage. As I've mentioned, his not learning Spanish is an affront (by his own) to his own culture.

    When I point out that he made no moves to learn Spanish, I'm actually expressing sadness that he, himself has ignored his own Hispanic ancestry. I wouldn't go so far as to say he "attacked" it by not learning Spanish, but he's attacking Hispanics and other groups who are all in the struggling middle-class category.

    Now, here's something to ponder. Was his Cuban father-dominated family of the Catholic faith? And, did Teddy Cruz choose to abandon that part of his Hispanic culture also? Would be interesting to know.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:26 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

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    Response to kevjlang posted at 5:09 pm on Mon, Oct 28, 2013:

    What you say is indeed very common. Yes, I've heard that plenty of times. However, when anyone who has origins such as the Cruzster from an oppressive country (Cuba), yet he's here and now in the good 'ol US of A, talking to Jorge Ramos that he wants to throw out the "wrong" kind of immigrants...well, that seems a bit hypocritical.

    I'm sure that through his surname he experienced at least some discrimination, especially since he was up in Canada (where Hispanics are not as numerous). There would be those who would say that perhaps Cruz all these years was trying to "act white". His actions and words almost say that he's ashamed of his Hispanic side. By the way, with him being in middle-age (42 or so), he has had plenty of opportunities to acquire some of the Spanish language on his own.

    He chose not to. That's unfortunate, but even more so, doesn't bode well in regard to having respect for the man for his self-identity.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:21 am on Tue, Oct 29, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Response to carlosrponce posted at 4:01 pm on Sat, Oct 26, 2013:

    carlosponcie -
    Can't one have both a sense of social responsibility and freedom at the same time? Isn't that what most good PARENTS have as qualities? To support church (i.e. give to the food pantry) - social responsibility. And, at the same time enjoy the fruits of labor (i.e. good salary) because such individual knew that to study hard he/she would have the reward of freedom to purchase a nice home and drive a luxury BMW? You can't have both?

    If you met someone from Denmark who was extremely happy and felt "free", wouldn't you admire that person and want to find out what makes him so content? Or, would you scoff at the Dane and tell him to go back to his country to "be happy"? Now THAT sounds sad, unfree, and socially irresponsible. [wink]

     
  • kevjlang posted at 5:09 pm on Mon, Oct 28, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 2783

    sverige1,

    I think it's more common than you think within many immigrant families to forbid their children from speaking their family's native language. Today, it's quite common for immigrant families to be bilingual for various reasons, including the economic potential. However, it wasn't long ago where speaking anything other than English was considered to be limiting. In some ways, the pendulum may have swung to the other extreme where some families see little value in learning English at all.

    In some ways, that cultural trait could connect him to immigrants he couldn't connect with if he were truly bilingual.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 4:37 pm on Mon, Oct 28, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Response to carlosrponce posted at 8:22 pm on Sat, Oct 26, 2013:

    Well, carlostponcie -
    I find it interesting that just yesterday I was watching Univision with Jorge Ramos (I too watch variety of networks). Just as I thought, Ted Cruz is a terrible representative of the Hispanic culture in that he CANNOT speak Spanish. He says he can "listen", but can't produce the sounds. How sad that this individual grew up deprived and didn't have a mommy or daddy who had the conviction enough to maintain Spanish in his family. That also shows he most likely spent his formative years becoming "gringo-fied", hanging with the elite Anglos and ignoring his lower-to-middle class Hispanic base. How sad.

    Now, regarding "fact" vs "opinion". There's also standards in the old TAKS tests (now STAAR) called "making inferences" and "estimative probability". When one writes in an "opinion" forum, such as these, he/she likely uses words like "probably" or "likely".

    In my opinions regarding "the Tedster" Cruz, I always preface the opinion with "likely" or "probably", or other qualifiers such as "he was the biggest player". That is, I know not to make it all or nothing. So, sure, he wasn't the only one responsible for the shutdown, but he was a major player and a contributing factor in the crisis.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 8:22 pm on Sat, Oct 26, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    You listen to a news source (I prefer FOX News and CBN) and read what you can. Then separate fact from opinion. Therein lies the real news. Problem is that most people cannot differentiate between fact and propaganda, That was a TAKS objective that many never applied to real life. For instance:
    FACT: The US government had a partial shutdown of services.
    OPINION: Ted Cruz was responsible for the shutdown.
    This opinion can be refuted by other facts just like a Geometric Proof but you'll never convince some people that it is groundless.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 4:23 pm on Sat, Oct 26, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 407

    Which sites do you get your down the center news , that has no slant left or right?
    I like to start reading the one’s with no slants!

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:01 pm on Sat, Oct 26, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    I'm happier living in the good ole USA. If sverige thinks Denmark is much better he should move there. He could still keep up his subscription to the GDN and report on how "happy" he is. People have different ideas of what constitutes happiness. Those cited by the leftist Huffington Post are not all priorities on my list. "A sense of social support and freedom" really contradict each other.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 3:52 pm on Sat, Oct 26, 2013.

    carlosrponce Posts: 1957

    Here's a better website: http://www.snopes.com/fraud/advancefee/nigeria.asp
    from another left of center website. Methinks the Nigerian Ambassador doth protests too much!

     
  • sverige1 posted at 8:30 am on Fri, Oct 25, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    And Teddy Cruz' antics continue:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/nigerian-ambassador-cruz_n_4159186.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

    I remember Cisneros having a very good following for awhile, until infidelity issues (I believe) took a lot of wind from his sails. Knowing that was back in the 80s, that kind of thing probably served more detrimental as death knell of a political career....more so than today. I think today folks are more "forgiving".

    Now, I'm waiting for the puritans who wax reminiscent of the old days to write as to how we've degenerated even more over the decades.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 8:29 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    If we keep,some of these people you are supporting, we might be riding Skateboards to work soon. lololol. When that happens some YO-YO is going to raise the prices on skateboards sky high!
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    I'll tell you one thing, you are missing a great opportunity to get on the Cruz bandwagon,..is all I know! Hey,..I'm just tying to help you is all.
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    I had Henry Cisneros picked years ago to make the kind of national impact that Cruz is making now,..but things, did not work out for him, like they did not work out for Ed Kennedy! Time was not right. The one thing more important than time itself is TIMING! Timing was not there for ED or Henry,...but is is for Ted Cruz! Ted Cruz might never be President of the United Stated, but the movement Ted Cruz is starting in this country, will be responsible for a great,...ahhhhhhhh political revolution in this country, where future politicians will benefit from!
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    Jesse Chisholm was the guy in the old west who founded the CHISHOLM TRAIL for getting cattle through bad terrain and hostile territory to market easier and quicker. After Jesse laid the trail out many others after him started using it and saving much time and money.
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    Just as Jesse Chisholm was a trailblazer,...so is Ted Cruz! He has blazed a trail others will follow, and I say HOOORAY to that!!!
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    Here is a toast to Senator Cruz, ( I want all my fans and fine feathered friends, to lift up some container with diet coke in it). A TOAST TO THE GOOD SENATOR! ( GO ON AND TAKE A SIP NOW). Amen! Amen! [smile][beam]

     
  • sverige1 posted at 6:29 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    The "happiest" country, according to studies, is Denmark. Reasons: national health care, a year's of maternity leave, priority for gender equality, and half of the folks in Copenhagen ride their bikes to work.

    We could learn from them:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/denmark-happiest-country_n_4070761.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

     
  • sverige1 posted at 4:13 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3197

    Aint gonna apologize for what I say 'bout that lil' weasel, not now way, not no how.
    ________________________________________________

    JBG wrote -

    "Now, I think you need to apologize for your frivolous, rambunctious, remarks against a patriot of Senator Cruz's stature,...for one like him comes along once every FIFTY YEARS! I urge you to do the right and honorable thing here,...I would like for you to issue a public apology,..it will soothe your soul!"

     
  • Jbgood posted at 4:01 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    About that apology. Now don't make me start polling the the patrons of this forum to see how many of all my fans, and followers, are also upset about this scurrilous attack on the character of this outstanding politician. Take some time and think it over. I'm a patient man,..and above all, a fair one [whistling] [whistling].

     
  • Jbgood posted at 3:52 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    MaMa'nem....ahhhhhhhahahh. Lolololololololol!!!

     
  • gecroix posted at 2:59 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 2843

    Yes, that's how they say it over at Mama'nems...[beam]

     
  • sverige1 posted at 2:56 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

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    Response to Jbgood posted at 12:31 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013:

    Rafael Edward Cruz a hero?!?!? So glad I had a light lunch, or else it all would've upchucked. [lol]

     
  • Jbgood posted at 12:39 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    Hey and " Her-rupt".....about it! ( Her-rupt is East Texas for Hurry it up.)

     
  • Jbgood posted at 12:31 pm on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

    Jbgood Posts: 1899

    Response to Mr. sverige1 7:30am 10/24/13
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    Sir, as a patriot of this great country,..Land of the Free,...and Home of the Brave, I am SHOCKED, APPALLED,...and DISMAYED, at your attitude toward Senator Cruz.
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    Senator Cruz represents the hope of this country's future. He is a beckoning light on a hill, in a country darkened by scandalous politicians. Politicians acting as predators, or vultures,...bent on operating in deceit, deception and duplicity,..all for personal gain.
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    Politicians whose values have regressed and dilapidated into what seems like a mountain of,..insensitivity, disloyalty, selfishness, and greed! Senator CRUZ came back to Texas heralded as a hero, to those who want their country back,...those who want morality reinstalled in government, and integrity observed in the functioning of it!
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    Senator Cruz stood alone on the floors of the US Senate, fighting the "Satanic Principalities" in Washington DC who are plaguing this great nation. He reminds me of Davy Crockett being the last patriot at the Alamo,...standing there without regard for himself, swinging that rifle ( Ole Betsey) for TEXAS,...knowing his own future had a time span of mere seconds, before his life would end!
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    Crockett, Bowie, Travis and the rest, were not interested in what they could do for themselves, unlike those politicians of today,..but what they could do for TEXAS! Now I submit to you, that Senator Cruz is cut from that same moral fabric, sir!!
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    Someone told him the other day, "Senator, they are mad at you in Washington!"" Senator Cruz replied, "SO WHAT!!!" "I WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS!"
    Listen to me nowwww! The man did not go to Washington to PLAY THE GAME POLITICIANS PLAY!!! He did not go to DC to join in on the palm scratching,...The nod and winking,...and the kissing up to powerful LOBBYISTS and SPECIAL INTERESTS GROUPS! He went there to serve the constituents who sent him there.
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    Don't ever underestimate the power of one! The Word of God says, "Who dares despise the day of small things..! ( Zechariah 4:10 ).
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    "Never underestimate the power of one loving man. As he surrounds the world with beauty and creates love, either with words spoken from his heart or actions derived from his soul.".....unknown
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    It was this kind of determination and dedication which cause the most powerful country on the face of the universe to lose a war to a "BUNCH" of rag tag Viet Cong and North Vietnamese regular soldiers so many years ago!
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    I predict the spark, caused by Senator Cruz, his courage, his dedicated loyalty and attention to duty and trust,.. will be contagious,.. leading THOUSANDS of other American patriots to stand-up and speak-up for the return of their country, HIJACKED,...by a dysfunctioning, abhorrent, and abominable system and people!
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    Now, I think you need to apologize for your frivolous, rambunctious, remarks against a patriot of Senator Cruz's stature,...for one like him comes along once every FIFTY YEARS! I urge you to do the right and honorable thing here,...I would like for you to issue a public apology,..it will soothe your soul! [angry]

     
  • gecroix posted at 11:50 am on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

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    Jim, they sure do all use lobbyists, even the ones who declare, repeatedly, that there will never be any lobbyists in their Administration... [lol]
    Their biggest consistency in inconsistency.
    Well, maybe dishonesty, too.
    And cronyism.
    And incivility.
    And...

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

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    Response to gecroix posted at 6:19 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013:

    Hey, geocroix, The concept of language, word utterances, and the combination of consonants/vowels is an arbitrary concept. There's nothing wrong with someone being a " ", in the literal sense. There's a lot of folks who like that kind of thing. Many true " "s don't take offense to that, and are proud to be such individuals. Now, to be a "TeaPartier" in itself...well, we can debate that later as to how shameful THAT can be.

    I would imagine that quite a few Teapartiers are also " "s. It's only perjorative if one chooses to make it that way personally. As I mentioned, the concept of language and word use are arbitrary. EXAMPLE: a word that is offensive to one region or culture is not to another. Prime example is a "f-g" - we all know that in Britain it means a used cigarette.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:16 am on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

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    Response to Jbgood posted at 3:39 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013:

    Well, in this case I couldn't disagree with you more. There seems to be an affinity towards any folks who play "the emperor has no clothes" role. To seemingly be the only one who does something different and "brave" doesn't make the cause noble or right.

    I think Rafael Eduard Cruz hurt a lot of real people - Most to mind: federal workers who relied on their last paycheck or two to pay off some credit debt, keep the lights on in their house, or have meat for dinner the last couple of weeks besides baloney sandwiches.

    He was the individual who catapulted the "coup de grace" full governmental operations. I see it as the equivalent of the Colombian soccer player years back who scored for the other team. But, at least the soccer player didn't do his mishap on purpose. Sure, something needs to be done, but not in the manner that Cruz made a mockery of the legislative process. I wouldn't call on him in any emergency in the future.

    For the record, IMHO, it makes no difference who or from which party (dem, repub, Teaparty or whoever a group wants to call themselves). If you are a big player in something that hurts others, then you're no hero.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 6:51 am on Thu, Oct 24, 2013.

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    Response to Bigjim posted at 10:37 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013:

    Add more?? I think abknape4 is IHOG's less chatty cousin. What we see here now be the extent of any elaboration to the "dems fault" stance. Kind of hard to add more to a falsity such as this.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 10:58 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    gecroix i didn't add the '' " as this was copied and I forgot to add. Also didn't catch the teabaggers my bad. Just trying to make point that all groups have lobbyist.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 10:37 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

    Bigjim Posts: 407

    What is Dems fault? Ted Cruz.
    Please add more at what You are thinking.

     
  • abknape4 posted at 10:15 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

    abknape4 Posts: 45

    This is the Dems fault. Plain and simple.

     
  • gecroix posted at 6:19 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

    gecroix Posts: 2843

    The man I have known a long time is a smart person and straight up, fully capable of making a point or winning an argument on the merits of it.
    Childish pejoratives such as 'teabaggers' is the stuff of lesser men.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 5:24 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Response to Jbgood posted at 3:39 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013,
    Response to Bigjim posted at 4:25 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013:

    I've mentioned the need to eliminate the lobbyists before. I agree with both of you on that. Especially the ones who help with campaign finance. And the way they're all intertwined. That is, a former elected official who had done his/her "stint" as a representative, then, he/she becomes a lobbyist. So, when this individual was a congressperson, he/she was only doing it as a diving board to "bigger and better things".

    Perhaps our elected officials should be like clergy. Impart on a vow of poverty for the 1st 2 year term. And so on.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 5:10 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Minority Leader - McConnell. Yep, there's another problem there. I think folks have a hard time hearing his flubby old man's voice.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 4:29 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    carlospuisponce -
    Well, we're not in a spelling bee environment, so I would say we ought to stick to the topics at hand, as opposed to spel-lchecking.

    You do get the gist - It's a domino effect. The House leader appears to have a lack of such leadership. That "dominoes" to the junior representatives.

    However, I erred a bit earlier. Boener doesn't have Cruz answering to him. I believe Cruz must answer to the Minority Whip, whoever he is.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 4:25 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Maybe I'm wrong but most groups have lobbyist, this is 2 things I found. If we would get rid of all lobbyist we would be better off.

    A report by Lee Fang at Think Progress documents the involvement of corporate lobbyists FreedomWorks in organizing the teabaggers. FreedomWorks is run by ladies' man (and registered lobbyist) Dick Armey, and if they're not "organizing" the Tea parties, it's news to him. From a letter he wrote on March 10:

    During Secret Retreat With Billionaires, Koch Lobbyist Admits Tea Party Group ‘Designed’ To Elect Republicans In 2010

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:18 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    sverige 1, the man's name is spelled. Boehner. Is your misspelling a weak attempt at humor or just a Freudian slip? I used Diogenes as a metaphor for all who seek honesty in mankind but find most lacking. God Bless!

     
  • Jbgood posted at 3:39 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    I'm not saying Ted Cruz is perfect because "POBODY IS NERFECT!" However though his methods might have been suspect,...his heart, to me was in the right place, and so was his courage.
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    It is high time somebody stood up to both the Democrats and the Republicans, because they think and act like they hold a monopoly on American politics! I'm an Independent and have been for some years now. Being an Independent is just the tip of change which needs to come to this country now. It is to much lying,..co-hooting,...dishonesty,..scheming and cheating the system, going on in Washington DC.
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    I started off charging Mr. Cruz over this issue,..but after analyzing Mr. Cruz's behavior, and his positions,..I'm of the conclusion that sitting on hands continuing to bury heads in the sand, is never going to change this country.
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    The average politician in DC, Republican, or Democrat are influenced by POWERFUL LOBBYISTS, and special interest groups. They throw a few bones to their constituents to keep them in line from time to time for their votes, then proceed on, practicing their selfishness,..dereliction of duty, and abuse of public service term after term.
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    I'm tired of it, and I want it to STOP!!!!!! Well,...I meant I wish it would stop.[whistling]

     
  • Bigjim posted at 1:12 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Just like everyone, no one is perfect.
    If you have not read the life story of Diogenes it make interesting reading. Be shore to read whole story .
    Carosrponce is Ted Cruz the only honest politician? Do you include other Tea Party members, GOP, DEMS as being honest If not including some of each group you may be painting all with the same brush.
    .

     
  • sverige1 posted at 12:37 pm on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Response to gecroix posted at 7:36 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013:

    I think the title of the author's is an accurate one. Rafael Cruz' actions/antics "led" to the shutdown. Sure, there were, prelimarily, the contributing factors: 1) stubborness mainly by republicans to agree to compromises during up and down votes and/or committee hearings, 2) Leader John Boner's lack of persuasiveness to his many backward, fear-baiting party members.

    Therefore, as in multiple choice testing characteristics and in its test-making rules, one must choose the "best answer". Best answer is Option A.

    BTW - Rafael Cruz was not found by Diogenes. Maybe found by "social disease" LOL.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 9:43 am on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    C! :-)

     
  • Rockstrongo posted at 7:31 am on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    You have attacked Cruz' looks earlier in the thread and now you deride his Hispanic ancestry. I thought you libs were sooo tolerant?! Why do you hate Hispanics?! Why are you sooo racist?!
    You can't argue for the turd that is obamacare, so you try to deride the man that's pointing out obamacare is a turd!! You're such a good little "Alinsky-ite".

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 6:16 am on Wed, Oct 23, 2013.

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    Diogenes has found a rare creature - an honest politician. Ted Cruz ran on platform of shutting down Obamacare. He's trying his best to do precisely that. Why is Jeanie Bond surprised? President BO's promises were just political rhetoric to get elected. When it comes to "Hope and Change" he only kept the "Change" promise. America has changed. I don't like the change.

     
  • gecroix posted at 7:36 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Looks like we got three options here:
    Option A - The author truly believes that any one person can, under our Constitution, cause a government shutdown, even just a 17% shutdown like this one was.
    Option B - The author knows better, but counts on some readers being too poorly versed in, or dishonest about, the workings of their own country's government to know, or care, better.
    Option C - It has yet to be revealed, due to the critical necessity by POTUS to finish the shots at the 19th hole, that a secret coups has taken place and the Tea party led by Ted Cruz has taken over the government, declared a dictatorship, and set Cruz up as the Top Dog (and that's why the Obamacare website doesn't work - Cruz ordered it scrambled and dismantled...[beam]).
    OK.
    Pick one.
    Your choice.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 4:58 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    I love Root Cause Analysis! I used it in my careers! It EXPOSES situations, circumstances, and people!
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    I agree with Mr. Lang,...you can;'t shake him up. I've been trying for years and only ended up ruffling his feathers once,...but I could not shake him, like I CRAVED to do!
    Exactly why I buy coke by the case.
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    Ohh BTW, I love that good comment about Pelosi,....that made my day, I'll tell you that.
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    That cotton picking Cruz got and overload of guts,...I tell you that! If I was in a skirmish, in the bush,...I'd want somebody like him on my TWENTY!

     
  • gecroix posted at 1:55 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Whenever something happens that shouldn't have, and there is any real desire to prevent it from happening again, it's best to find the actual root cause of the problem. Without knowing, or admitting, or even acknowledging how the problem got started, all the other negatives that came along and attached themselves are just distractions, and will do NOTHING to prevent the same thing happening again.
    It becomes nothing but a bunch of nyaah nyaah nya nyaah nyaah simplistic crap to be thrown around by the usual suspects, of all stripes. Top to bottom.
    Here's the fact of the matter:
    The ROOT CAUSE of the recent government shutdown was NOT Ted Cruz, NOT Barack Obama, NOT the ACA, NOT John Boehner/Harry Reid/Pelosi/McConell, NOT the Democrats/Republicans/Tea Party.
    It WAS a lack of a legally signed into law budget, passed by the House and Senate and signed by POTUS, as REQUIRED by law, but ignored since 2009 now, except as a medium for partisan swipes all around.
    A proper legal budget = no need for 'continuing resolutions' = no opportunity for a 'shutdown' (a curious, politically motivated lie itself, since 83% of government was still running as per usual...).
    If they'd ALL, from the President to Reid to Boehner, would just SHUT UP, stop the SPEACHES, stop the name calling and DEFAMATION of their opponents, and DO WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO, there would be a legal budget every year, and no 'shutdowns'.
    The arrogant ass of a President, and his equally arrogant ass Senate majority Leader and Speaker of the House, need to remember this is a Constitutional Republic, not a Monarchy.
    The nation CANNOT tolerate anybody so dishonest as to claim to want to work with others, but not to negotiate.
    It's one thing to be suckered into a vote.
    It's quite another to be stupid enough to keep doing the same thing over agian, hoping for a different outcome.
    Vote the bums out.
    Every last one.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    The one I replied to below was a posting by IHOG. I don't recall all that he wrote, but I didn't see anything particularly offensive. Maybe there was, but if it was, it must be something I'm pretty desensitized to.

     
  • Robert Buckner posted at 12:05 pm on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Ok sverige1. The author of this opinion made it appear Cruz was the responsible party. On this thread the opinions seem to be leaning toward many folks/parties responsible for our government's malfunction.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 11:53 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Response to Robert Buckner posted at 11:42 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013:

    OMG! I wonder what was said and by whom? Could it have been Rafael Eduard Cruz himself, posing as a forum poster? Bringing down our country and inciting discord toward legally passed laws?

    Naw....Señor Cruz did all that already a couple of weeks ago in a congressional chamber. lol

     
  • Bigjim posted at 11:45 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    898989 do the Tea Party refuse special health and retirement plans or do they feed with the rest?

     
  • Robert Buckner posted at 11:42 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Oops, somebody upset the forum gods

     
  • sverige1 posted at 11:36 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Hey, RobertBuckner -
    Not disputing what you're saying - you're free to stand wherever you are.., just placing the brunt of the responsibility to the biggest players.

    He placed himself to the forefront of it all so he could secure some semblance of recognition as a "junior" senator. His name is more associated with this than even his leader, John Boner. What Rafael Eduard Cruz doesn't realize is that many folks see through the starched shirts and elitist attitudes. He's not a real Texan.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 11:23 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    As long as Tea Party is around the better chance the Dems have in 2016 2020 2024 ect.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 11:20 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    The fiscal future of the nation depends on reasonable and rational discussions to be held. Right now, of the 3 major factions at the table, I can't categorize either as reasonable or rational. I'm not sure I'd put any eggs in either basket, so I surely wouldn't pull all of them in either. Give me some evidence that gives me cause to believe that the Tea Party is worthy of anyone going all-in on their tactics and strategy.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 11:16 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    bvresident, you're spinning.... He may or may not be right in his assessment. However, he did blame the Senate Republicans, especially for the fight turning out to be for naught. Of course, there's 537 fingers pointing blame for the shutdown, and there isn't a single finger being pointed straight back at the pointer.

    Of course, as in most other matters of a political nature, the blame game is completely disingenuous and non-productive.

    What would be nice, and necessary, is for the debate about who's fault it is to stop and for the discussions about what we're committed to and how to pay for it to begin. The finger pointing is wasting valuable time. They have recesses coming, and they can use that time for finger-pointing if that's what they want to do for recreation.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 11:11 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    bvresident Who do you think has credibility. I guess Your list is heavy with Tea Party members. My list has all party members (GOP, DEM, TEA Party) as not all of one group is all bad or all good.

     
  • 898989 posted at 11:05 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Cruz should take on the IRS scandal , NSA, Bengazi and the inability to enroll people in Obamacare to task , they are all ridden with old time politicians that have run the Government for years ... can't these people see that computers have changed the country because people want to know exactly what is going on in the Government.

    Congress, the Senate , the president all old time Republicans and Democrats should come out of the caves they live in and see the new world.

    Having special health and retirement plans for the "chosen few " is ludicrous .

    It is an honor to serve as an elected person , not a privilege!

    Tea Tea Party is the only bona fide group that has not buried it's head in the sand.

    They may be wrong some of the time but what other choice do we have ?? The ancient idiots that are in office today?

    The Ted Cruz's of the world will be taking over , like it or not!

     
  • bvresident posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    What does it matter? The Tea Party leaders can either do what's right or they can do what the rest of them do when they get to Washington which is to put their own self-interests above what's best for the country. Do you really think George Soros backs the dems because he wants this country to succeed as a capitalist nation?

    But to your point, Cruz and Paul and Lee will continue to be demonized by the entrenched GOP just as the GOP is demonized by obama, It's the only thing they can do when they don't like people seeing what true fiscal responsibility and freedom is like. What has either the GOP or the FREE Party really done to help this country in the last twenty years? More debt, more entitlements, more dependency on the federal government, more running from accountability and personal responsibility, more taxation, more regulations, more attacks on our freedoms and privacy.

     
  • bvresident posted at 10:53 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Are you referring to Peter King of the pork-filled Sandy bill?
    Are you referring to John "The Maverick" McCain who's forgotten what he was sent to Washington for?
    Are you referring to Mitch "I Got $2 BILLION!" McConnell who sold out the rest of the country so he could take home some more pork to get him re-elected?

    Every one of those has lost any credibility when it comes to doing what's right for the future of this country.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 10:40 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    IHOG would you want payments to social security to stop. This would put a lot of pressure on.

     
  • Bigjim posted at 10:28 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called Cruz's shutdown strategy "not a smart play" with "no chance of success," while Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) called Cruz's mission a "fool's errand." Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) offered more pointed criticism, calling Cruz either a "fraud" or "totally incompetent."

     
  • Bigjim posted at 10:17 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    bvresident You said "The government should be shut down again" So you want to shut it down no matter whats on table.
    The GOP will let Cruz take the heat again, to help make him look bad and less of a candidate for president . The Koch's don't understand this part of politics if they are looking to back him in 2016.
    If it's shut down again you will see a lot of the one's deemed to be reasonable not get reelected.

     
  • bvresident posted at 9:59 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Lang, that's completely disingenuous. Cruz hasn't overtly accepted blame any more than any other Congressional leader. Name one who said it was his or her own fault?

    He also isn't diverting blame on the GOP Senate. He stated the truth-they didn't stand up when they should have and they caved to the democrats demands to continue obama's fiscal insanity. GOP Senator Mitch McConnell got a $2 BILLION pork-filled pie for capitulating to Hussein's and Reid's and Pelosi's efforts to continue our slide into the fiscal abyss. McConnell is a loser who's on his way out next year.

    http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/At-home-in-Houston-Cruz-continues-fight-against-4915016.php?cmpid=hpfc

     
  • kevjlang posted at 9:15 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    I notice that Ted Cruz hold himself blameless, but instead, diverts all the blame on the Senate GOP. I thought that only liberals were free to blame everyone but themselves. A Tea Partier is the last I'd expect to just play the blame game. Or, evidently, the blame game is non-discriminatory. All politicians play it at will.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 8:24 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Jeannie, re-read your Government 101 text. It is the House, not the Senate that has the "Power of the Purse" under the United States Constitution. The House sent Budget Bills to the Senate. It was Harry Reid who sat on them and led to a partial shutdown of government. He was under direct orders from President BO who refused to negotiate, refused to compromise. Barry and Harry were responsible for the partial government shutdown. Ted Cruz is a Senator and did not enter into the equation. But the media under direction from Democratic Talking Points made him the poster child for the shutdown. And how do Texans feel about it? Well he got an eight minute standing ovation upon his return to Texas. Do all Texans feel that way? No, but that's what makes politics interesting. God Bless Texas! God Bless America!

     
  • Robert Buckner posted at 7:46 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    sverige1, I stand by my statement. Cruz couldn't shut down government by himself. Members of both parties along with Obama are responsible as well. Open your eyes Lars. There's over 500 folks in DC responsible for this. It is impossible for one person by himself to shut down the country.

     
  • bvresident posted at 7:18 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    The government should be shut down again. It is bloated and out of control. Ted Cruz did what none of the old-guard republicans would do-stand up to the Liar-in-Chief and the democrat party. This administration is out of control.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/faber-fed-could-qe-1-143500254.html

     
  • sverige1 posted at 7:02 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Response to Robert Buckner posted at 5:42 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013:

    [note sarcasms in this post]

    Well, Rafael Edward Cruz chose to place his squinty, hook- faced mug into the front limelight of the whole thing. He single-handedly filibustered, and just yesterday he was in Houston to continue the celebration of the whole chain of events. With no remorse for his integral part in the shutdown.

    Interesting that he hasn't apologized for being one of the frontrunners of closing down governmental operations. Perhaps Rafael Edward Cruz's Canadian and Cuban roots predisposes him from not really being devoted to keeping our US government in tact. All this, coupled with his trying to renounce his Canadian citizenship to make up for the exposure that Señor Cruz is not US-born, perhaps a court injunction should be ordered to further investigate his US citizenship (or lack thereof).

    Since the Constitution doesn't specify what is "natural born", we should err on the safe side of caution, further investigate Rafael Edward Cruz to cement the case against Señor Cruz, and ultimately strip him from the privilege to serve in US government.

     
  • Robert Buckner posted at 5:42 am on Tue, Oct 22, 2013.

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    Cruz wasn't by himself, I hold them all responsible. There is no way possible for Cruz to shut down the government by himself.