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December 19, 2014

Against abortion, against welfare

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  • carlosrponce posted at 7:06 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2786

    Children are a blessing but you and I have differing ideas on what is best for them. Some of these kids made it to the border, some did not. Think of the hundreds that have died along the route between their border and ours and just got dumped along the way by "coyotes" who just take the money and dump the kids.
    http://news.xin.msn.com/en/world/hundreds-of-children-abandoned-en-route-to-us-mexico
    Think of the little boys and girls sexually abused in route to the promised land.Think of the children who fall asleep from fatigue atop "The Beast" train and fall to their deaths. Think of the bodies of children that wash up on the shores of "El Rio Bravo de Norte" (Rio Grande). Now multiply this number if the word goes out that President Obama has opened the door for those here. Yes, sverige, you have already expressed that it would be best for the little children to go to Jesus. Children are a blessing but you and I have differing ideas on what is best for them.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 6:22 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    Man this Route 44, diet coke from Sonic sure taste good, and I know yall wish yall had one. Go get you one then,......and tell them Old JBG sent you.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 5:48 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    Now hey, hey, I...I...need to let yall know, I had to LEAN into that last post! ( That is what Mr. Manuel is always saying! ) ....That's right,.... sverige1 WORKED me on that thing!

     
  • Jbgood posted at 5:42 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    "So, JBG...are you saying we should lock our doors more at night because of these "foreigner" C. American ruffian children that are roaming around as a result of our unsecured borders?" .....sverige1
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    No sir that is not what I meant at all. Here is what I meant, ....If a person in this country, not only in Galveston County, but anywhere in this county, is in favor of not securing our borders with all the terrorism, and hatred for America and Americans being perpetuated in today's society, SURELY THAT PERSON WOULD NOT BE SUCH A HYPOCRITE AS TO LOCK HIS/HER DOORS AT NIGHT. Yes we have plenty people in this country, who will come into your house and cut your throat or shoot you in your sleep! However, there are just as many, OUTSIDE of this country who would do the same thing or MORE if they could get in here. So why would anyone NOT be in favor of securing our borders? ALL OF THEM!!!!! Many of THOSE people who will do us harm, are already here, they just have not been discovered yet!
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    I hope this answers your question, if not, I don't know what else to tell you. I don't have a problem with Central American kids, I help sponsor missionaries down there "RAT" now preaching the gospel. Same thing in Guatemala and several other places around the world. Hey, listen, I don't have time to be prejudice okay! My schedule is full! I don't want to get into all I'm involved in, with the missions outside of this country, and places I support and go inside of this country, because there would bound to be somebody who would say, "look at JBG bragging!" I STILL WANT MY BORDERS SECURED THOUGH, AND IF THAT OFFENDS SOMEBODY, I'M NOT APOLOGIZING!
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    Now, as to all kids being born to be a blessing, they are, and therefore all men were born to be a blessing in the eyes of GOD, but that doesn't mean they will take the right path in life to end up as a blessing, NOR BE A BLESSING TO OTHERS!
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    The creator of my automobile is the only one who can really tell me what it was created to do, and how best it will serve me. Just like that,... the creator of mankind is the one who can say, what mankind was created for, NOT THE MAN! The man can rebel like millions of them do, and practice WICKETNESS AND END UP BEING CURSED AND NOT BLESSING ANYBODY IN HIS LIFE, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HE WAS CREATED TO BE. Did I get to deep in this stuff? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhahahah I love this stuff! Let me say something else, thank you for asking me about this stuff heah? Let me leave you with a blessing:
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    Ephesians 2:10
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    "For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." ( oh, God won't compel you do serve Him, but before it is all said and done, YOU WILL WISH YOU HAD! )
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    Question:
    Ho many of us are even trying to do the Good Works...God has prepared and planed in advance for us to do?
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    Answer:
    It must be tee-tee.. ( Vietnemese for very little) because :
    Matthews 9:37

    “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few...." WHY? I'll tell you, I'm glad you asked! It is because many men who are called into the harvest tells GOD, "I'm not going in there!" "I'm not blessing anybody!"
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    Now, I don't want to give you to much today, allow me to save something for tomorrow, okay? Did I help you? If I have been a help,... I need to hear some AMENS!

     
  • sverige1 posted at 3:36 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3718

    Response to Jbgood posted at 10:34 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014:
    The terms "being illegal" and "performing criminal acts" was directed by some posters to our influx of refugee children from C. America. Then, in a similar vein these posters tried to say things like "all children are a blessing".

    So, my question was: Which is it? Aren't the C. American children a "blessing"? And, many if not most of them do not have a criminal record. Yet, these posters want to call them "illegals", "criminals", and ship them away. Yet and still, they call any unborn baby here "a blessing". It can't be both ways.

    Regarding the locking of doors at night. I think folks like us who lock our doors don't think any more or less of the immigrant (illegal or otherwise) being the culprit, robber, or home invader. Many of our existing 5-plus generation citizen Texans are a mighty big number in the home invasion equation. How many of these home invaders have been called Miller, Washington, Schroenfield, O'Malley, et cetera...et cetera. So, JBG...are you saying we should lock our doors more at night because of these "foreigner" C. American ruffian children that are roaming around as a result of our unsecured borders?

     
  • bvresident posted at 1:05 pm on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1442

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2712187/EXCLUSIVE-A-lot-people-die-blood-Obamas-hands-Shocking-images-corpses-illegal-immigrants-left-die-border-crossings.html

    This is a direct result of the "compassionate" Left's support for their president's encouragement of illegals to cross our borders while restricting the ability of our border patrol to do their jobs.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 9:22 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

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    Response to carlosrponce posted at 8:42 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014:

    I don't think anyone here is saying it's "ideal" to abort fetuses. What I am contributing in the conversation is the dose of reality that includes the premise that abortions have been done for decades. They have been done even before the more publicized doctor-led operative procedures....even in the 30s/40s/50s.

    With more and more advanced procedures and the opportunities to have them done, people are going to make that choice. Do we like it? No. Do we want our daughter to make that "choice". Heck no. But, knowing that at this topical time we have the thousand-plus border crisis that involves many children....to think that a blanket ban on abortions is going to stop people from getting those procedures is UNREALISTIC. Again, I'm placing a dose of reality into the mix. If a couple of thousand babies are aborted a year, that's very likely less potential "welfare" recipients in the future. I would think the conservatives would bat an eye of approval for that.

     
  • Matt Coulson posted at 12:56 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Matt Coulson Posts: 133

    By the way removing the good people from a country is never going to improve it. I'm not sure but you sound like the type that thinks America is to blame for South American crime and corruption as if deporting illegal criminal gang members to their original country was wrong. They should be shot down for the dogs that they are but we are too civilized for that anymore. Viva la revolution.

     
  • Matt Coulson posted at 12:34 am on Fri, Aug 1, 2014.

    Matt Coulson Posts: 133

    I don't accuse all progressives of being morally bankrupt because you think it is a kindness to abort babies that are bound for a tough life. I have complete compassion for the actual children crossing the boarder and think we should help as we can. By the way we are doing more than anyone, health care, housing, clothing, counseling not letting them ride dangerously on top of trains not even giving food and water. A secure boarder makes sense in every way. We should be looking for ways to help these countries regain the rule of law so that their people want to stay in the country they know. Babies are a blessing no matter who they are or where they come from if treated as such.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 10:34 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    Being illegal and performing criminal acts at anything is not supposed to be a blessing! Who in hell said it was supposed to be? We don't want both ways at doing anything, if others think the way I do, they simply want a dysfunctional government to right the ship and start being functionally sound in the way it was meant to operate. We want a secured border like we should have, and if somebody objects to that,... then WHY DO YOU SHUT AND LOCK YOUR DOORS AT NIGHT? Yea talk back to me if you can. ( be sure to answer this question too! )
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    Nobody I've monitored on this forum so far has confessed to being against immigration, they are against illegal immigration, and having policies which are unequal, and discriminates against different people depending on where they come from. Hispanic kids from Mexico are not treated the same as Hispanic kids from Honduras,...this sort of thing! All you have to do is to be a big liar, or have a few relatives already in the states ( probably illegally too )...and you can more than likely skirt the inadequate, unfair system the United States has in place now. Look at Obama's aunt and uncle!
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    There is nothing fair about that. Same unfair system will discriminate against Canada, Sierra Leone, Kenya or Haiti kids fleeing from danger or poverty. Let a boatload of poor kids from HAITI come floating across the sea, lands in Florida, and see what happens to them!!!!! The *&^% is not right, and I for one do not like! If you are going to take this type of attitude on, at least be fair about it!
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    2 Timothy 2:24-26
    "And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." ( This scripture applies to the next paragraph ).
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    Now as far as abortion is concerned, I would not expect SATAN nor ANY OF THOSE HE CONTROLS, who works for him, and speaks his deceptive, destructive, murdering tactics to understand that life starts in the womb and a kid in the womb, has the same GODLY rights and GODLY LOVE as a kid in the world!
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    Jeremiah 1:5
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    "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [and] approved of you [as My chosen instrument], and before you were born I separated and set you apart, consecrating you; [and] I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
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    Lastly, somebody told me years ago as I was growing up, "JB don't ever argue with a fool! Do not even speak into his ears because:
    Proverbs 23:9
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    "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words."
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    Anybody who calls God imaginary, and Jesus a mummy, is second to the biggest fool I know and that is Satan himself! In fact I think the spirit if the Antichrist which is said by the Word of God to be operating in the EARTH TODAY, until the real AntiChrist is allowed to show up, is operating in that kind of fool.
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    I John 4:3
    "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
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    God is so amazing, because His love is never quenched toward disrespectful individuals who displays this type behavior. He simply allows the aging process to proceed until death meets them early, or late, or CALAMITY suddenly kills them off, then He deals with them and their arrogant disobedience.
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    JBG approves of this message!!! I got your back LORD!

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 8:42 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

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    Hypocrisy, sverige? Really? I really think the Liberals are trying to atone for the murder of over 50,000,000 babies through a "woman's right to choose" by accepting these 55,000 illegal immigrant children. Well that's not atonement, that's real HYPOCRISY!

     
  • sverige1 posted at 8:00 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

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    Response to Matt Coulson posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014:

    Well, many of you folks who write here say things about the recent C.American refugees - such as "they're illegals", "they're criminals". That doesn't sound like a blessing.

    The "anti abortion, against" welfare rhetoric wants to have it both ways. When it's a growing embryo, up until they're a cute little towhead in the crib - you all make them out to be "heavenly God's children". But, when they cross a border and occupy our schools and welfare offices - they're "criminals" that must go back to where they came from. Hypocrisy - let's have some for breakfast this morning. LOL

     
  • Matt Coulson posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Jul 31, 2014.

    Matt Coulson Posts: 133

    No, because then they would not have a chance to fulfill their earthly purpose which is to be a blessing. I'm glad I'm not raising teenagers to throw their moral convictions under the bus when they face the reality. Conservatives are accused of acting out of self interest or meanness but most are taking a moral stand and don't care if it hurts them politically. Both of our ideas are paternal but come from a different point of view. Both are concerned with helping people. I think abortion is a poor way to help people. I think that not holding Mexico to a higher standard of responsibility and not controlling the boarder is a poor way to run the country.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:21 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2786

    If death is preferred then Jesus would not have brought his friend Lazarus nor the girl we call Talitha back to life. There is a difference between a natural death and what you propose in your 3:23 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014 post. My mother had Hospice care prior to death. They made her comfortable but did not hasten her death.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 6:42 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

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    carlosrponce -

    It's a Christian, and also very "Catholic" way of thinking. When one is suffering tremendously, then it is best that he/she go to Heaven.

    That's why, as I mentioned, there's "right to die" laws and "hospice" organizations...2 examples.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:17 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2786

    And so says sverige Kevorkian. As for me, where there is life there is hope. And there is always hope where there is the Lord Jesus Christ.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 4:12 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

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    I'm not sure that I can get my head around the concept of a viable embryo or fetus being a "hospice" patient. The way you write it up, I'm starting to question the value of reproductive or family planning prior to conception when you have such a noble option remaining.

    At this point, I'm willing to grant that abortion is a personal moral decision. One we hope no one is in a position to make, but realize some will. I think society's major role is to make sure everyone is as aware as possible of their options BEFORE conception.

    I might be able to go so far as to say that abortion may provide a family with an alternative that helps avoid a further compounding of a lapse of judgment, but I'm not willing to say that it serves to avoid further suffering.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:01 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2786

    " Wouldn't it be better if some of the fetus children go to heaven earlier, rather than later?"
    Do you really HATE life that much sverige?

     
  • sverige1 posted at 3:23 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    sverige1 Posts: 3718

    Response to Russo posted at 6:29 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014:

    Way to go...yes, one can be a liberal and possess commendable personal morality. The good thing with liberals, however, is that they realize when something borders realistic. The realistic component is that: refugees crossing the border are walking/living/breathing entities that need care on this earth.

    Breathing fetuses who are not fully on earth are "operable" in regard to the decision to keep or not keep the living being. On a personal level, I concur with kevinjlang....it certainly isn't an issue one would want to relish in regard to the decision to terminate a child. But, let us realistically address the fact that with a diminished number of children walking on earth can mean a lessened number of welfare children. There we have it: welfare vs abortion. The "conservative" answer to eliminate both simply isn't realistic. Too much birthing eventually yields the result of too much "welfaring". Wouldn't it be better if some of the fetus children go to heaven earlier, rather than later?

     
  • sverige1 posted at 3:14 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

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    If heartless and cruel equals "realistic", then call me as such. I often think (whether you like it or not) in similar vein as hospice entities. There comes a time with quality of life is not available, therefore death is the best option.

     
  • pflinn posted at 3:10 pm on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

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    Congratulations, Mr. Russo & the Mrs.! Looks like you have lived a full life!

    Sounds like you have a wonderful, large family. Bet it is fun at reunions!

     
  • Jbgood posted at 11:08 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    Again, altogether now, say that with me,..."JBG DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!"

     
  • Jbgood posted at 11:01 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    Let me try to make my position clear one "MO" time. I've said this many times, but I will say it again for anyone who just did not get it. There is nobody in this country, in my opinion who can talk to me about poverty, and look me in the eye and say YOU just don't understand JBG!
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    I understand all to well, and if I decided to tell you some things about how "PO" my family really was, and the persecutions I, and my siblings were subjected to in our devastating environment, you would probably agree with me. I won't discuss all that I could, because I never want to think about some of the ways we had to live, and things we had to do in order to just get by and live. However, we made it!!!!
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    I had siblings older than me and some younger than me, but as hard as life was for my family, I was ALLOWED to be born! Yes we were "PO".....not poor, but "PO!"
    I will tell you another thing, WE ARE NOT "PO" ANY MORE!
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    I love what Matt Coulson said below in his post! Children has a God given potential to be a blessing! To be great in God's eyes on the face of the earth! They also have the potential to be a plague on society, depending on what company they keep, who influences them, and what voices they listen to giving them advice along the way.
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    Somebody said once, "There is a FOOL and a KING existing in every man! The one who received the most attention, the one who is allowed to practice his trade in that man's life, is the one who will possess and rule that man's life and determine his destination!
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    I came from the bottom, and rose to the top of every "dam" thing I have put my hands to just about! When I was out there on the corner, I had the anointing of a LEADER, and if I did not fill that position, it was because I did not want it after it was offered!
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    In order for that to take place a man cannot afford to think like the world, and his mind must be TRANFORMED away from how the world and SATAN thinks! Killing kids is nothing new, Hell, Satan had Herod and others killing kids way back in the days of Jesus Christ! Hey, they tried to kill JESUS too!!! I get so tired of excuses for doing bad in life! "I never had a break!" "I never had the schooling!" "Well I'm Black,.... or I'm Hispanic and the White folks they, ....I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!
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    I was back there during segregation! I was back there when Blacks had to go through BACK DOORS of public facilities and had to sip out of separate water fountains! I was back in East Texas when you could not go to schools until the crops were in! SO WHATEVER EXCUSE YOU HAVE FOR ME, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT! The reason is if a man wants to be a success in life, he has that THAT MEASURE OF FAITH, ( Romans 12:3 ) ...which God gave to every living HUMAN, who ever walked the earth, to be what he wants to be! I'm living proof!
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    I won't get into all the money I send to the mission fields, or to the poor, or how many people I've prayed with for salvation. I don't want to mention the many places I travel to share the gospel with others. The reason why is ...I would surely cause some to be offended! Oh yeah God has bought me from the bottom,....to be blessed and well able to be a blessing to others!
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    Now, some might enjoy hearing all these excuses for failing in life, being a crook, stealing, braking the laws, Killing babies,....I DON'T! THIS IS WHY I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ALL THESE I'M BLACK OR HISPANIC EXCUSE SONGS, AND THE DROPPING OF RACE CARDS! Don't come to me with this! I'm a competitor! I want to compete with the best! I have NEVER sought to be the best African-American at nothing in my life! I wanted to be the BEST PERIOD! This is the way I trained my children! One of my children approached me a few years ago and paid me a compliment. He said, "Dad I want you to help me train my son like you trained me!" I broke down, turn around and walked off with tears in my eyes! BTW....that child has 2-3 college degrees and a couple of blue collar certifications under his belt!
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    One "MO" time okay? "I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!"

     
  • Russo posted at 9:53 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

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    bvresident, I am not trying to demonize anyone. I agree with you that this country has far too many unemployed, far too many on food stamps, far too many on government disability, and far too many who are receiving entitlements who shouldn't be.

    My letter just points out that there are those that are for the birthing but not the feeding of babies born to women like the above.

     
  • bvresident posted at 8:49 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1442

    So are you the author of this piece? If not then I'm not sure what your point is.

    If you are, then my comment still stands. The opinion piece is typical of what we hear from the Left-which is mostly sound-bites designed to demonize those of us who believe in personal responsibility for everyone and the value of the human life. This country has far too many unemployed, far too many on food stamps, far too many on government disability, and far too many who are receiving entitlements who shouldn't be. That's a direct result of the last five years of the worst president this country has ever seen and he happens to be democrat.

     
  • Matt Coulson posted at 6:40 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Matt Coulson Posts: 133

    Childeren are a blessing. All children born into hard circumstances have the beautiful potential to reach their highest purpose. All children, no matter how privileged have the potential to be a plague on society. How many world changers have we lost to abortion? Are these people saying that we need abortion so that people of color don't get too powerful? Eugenics. Kill them young or keep them on the government plantation? A very dark view. Look at rep Paul Ryan's proposal for the future released this week.

     
  • Russo posted at 6:29 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Russo Posts: 7

    This 84 year-old "Typical Leftie" has been married to his one-and-only wife for 63 years.

    We have 8 children, 4 grandchildren and one great-grandchild on the way. All of the eight children and four grandchildren have college degrees or training and are gainfully employed as follows:

    3 Accountants ( 1 CPA)
    2 Registered Nurses
    1 Computer Analyst
    1 Construction Foreman
    1 Physician
    1 Psychologist
    1 Musician and Band Leader
    1 Economist
    1 Construction Engineer

    These people are what I value most.


     
  • Russo posted at 5:44 am on Wed, Jul 30, 2014.

    Russo Posts: 7

    JBG, I wonder how you would have responded if I had written my letter like this:

    Most conservative U.S. citizens are against welfare programs that feed those who don't want to be employed (mostly black per capita) and immigration reform legislation that would increase the unemployed Hispanic population.

    At the same time, these conservative U.S. citizens are also against legislation that allows poor, unmarried and Hispanic women to abort unintended pregnancies and prevent an increase in the number of people who don't want to be employed that need food, education and other services.

    The highest abortion rates are by women who don't want to be employed or were made pregnant by men who don't want to employed. These rates are as follows:

    Black women (50 per 1,000)
    Hispanic women (28 per 1,000)
    White women (11 per 1,000).
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  • kevjlang posted at 10:43 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

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    I would not relish being any part of the decision process associated with being confronted with an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy. I can't imagine any of the options as being easy and painless. Nor can I imagine any of them being a relief, a salvation, or an overall benefit for all involved.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:37 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

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    I do not like the way you think, sverige. That's what Rev. Jim Jones was thinking when he told people to drink the "Kool-aid" actually Flavor-Aid killing over 900 including 300 children. I see you haven't drank the kool-aid to "avoid a lifetime of heartache on earth". Talk about heartless and cruel.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 5:34 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

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    Response to kevjlang posted at 4:10 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014:

    Well, having the abortion might very well bring the unborn child home to Jesus, and avoid a lifetime of heartache (for both child and parent) on earth.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 4:10 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

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    sverige1, you almost make it sound like some of these people are doing society a favor by having an abortion.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 3:31 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

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    There's way too many little ones brought into this world that can't or won't be properly taken care of by their physical parent(s). The plain fact is that many of these young people (male and female...let's not forget the "father) who "get pregnant" are not going to "man up" or "woman up" and have the resources needed to take care of the child.

    It's running on realistic here....so "enter" the choice to abort, and/or the choice to give up for adoption. We've heard this for decades. Just think we have even today, thousands of children already here crossing the border - needing to be fed and educated.

    So, why won't conservatives realize that as personally "moral" many of us reading and writing on this thread are: We still have the issue of how to take care of children who have no means and how to take care of people who have no means nor will to go to work. As for the ones who get pregnant: We can't teach these folks "moral responsibility" (their mom/dad - if they had one - failed at that). Their ship has sailed. So, isn't it being better off in the long run that some of these fetuses are terminated? That would save their lives of destined poverty and strife.

     
  • Diane4630Brodie7486 posted at 1:55 pm on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

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    Absolutely right! I do not condone killing helpless humans, no matter their race. I do believe in birth control. Planning a family requires parents with jobs.

     
  • oldblue posted at 11:32 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    oldblue Posts: 48

    I have an Amen for Mr. JBG[thumbup]

     
  • Jbgood posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 2000

    Well folks allow this Ole Plow-Boy from over yonder to address Ms. Medwedeff's concerns one at a time heah? ( Okay? )
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    Most conservative U.S. citizens are against welfare programs that feed the unemployed and immigration reform legislation that would increase the unemployed Hispanic population.
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    1) Not true! Most conservatives and Independents (like myself) ...are against programs which allows those WHO DON'T WANT TO BE EMPLOYED, to be fed, and against the current system and it's ineptness which allows anybody who wants to enter this country illegally, to do so! ( The Word of God states, If a man won't work, ...he should not eat! )( 2 Thess. 3:10 ).
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    At the same time, these conservative U.S. citizens are also against legislation that allows poor and unmarried black and Hispanic women to abort unintended pregnancies and prevent an increase in the number of unemployed people needing food, education and other services.
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    2) I won't pretend to speak for any other conservative nor Independent on this statement but as for me, YOU NAILED IT!!!!!!!! YOU MIGHTY RIGHT!!!! If you go out there and lay down and get pregnant, then WOMEN UP, and MAN UP and take care of the kid! If you don't have enough GUTS to do that then give it up for adoption so somebody else can do it for you! I know a certain individual who is out there doing this kind of thing like it is a visit to the dentist once a year! I'm going to leave it at that! ( Lastly she says.......:

    The highest abortion rates are among black women (50 per 1,000) and Hispanic women (28 per 1,000) as compared with white women (11 per 1,000).
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    3) I don't give a high flying thirteen cent "RIP" what color of individual who is out there doing it!!!!! I'm against it!!!!! BTW what is the racial ratio per thousand of Rapists and Murderers and Child Molesters in America? To be blunt, I don't give a *&%, I feel the same about those as I do about unintended abortions, though if you go inside a courtroom, you will find legal experts trying to bamboozle, deceive, swindle, and convince those in a jury box, and who sits in the judge's chair that all of what I mention above is perfectly fine in todays "evolved" society!
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    People evolves, but the Word of God never does, nor does God Himself!
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    As far as I'm concerned this article is nothing but a whine about race, and the proverbial race card which is finding a potent place in our society today.
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    I tell you one thing, .....if I hear ONE MORE WHINE on race, ONE MORE RACE CARD hit the table, I'm going on a sabbatical .................

     
  • gecroix posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3279

    "...these conservative U.S. citizens are also against legislation that allows poor and unmarried black and Hispanic women to abort unintended pregnancies..."
    If I may be allowed:
    - What are you calling an 'unintended pregnancy'? Rape? Incest? Mental incompetency? I personally would not blame anyone in those cases, as it's no fault of their own. Pregnancy as a result of other intercourse may be inconvenient, but you know going in, no pun, that it's likely. Do not equate unintended with a bad decision...not the same.
    - No, I'm not against allowing said women, or others, to kill their babies (that's what dies, a life, not an 'unintention'), as it's legal to do so. I am against paying it with taxpayer funds. How about SOME personal responsibility, and kill your kid on your own dime.

    While the hysterical and dishonest 'war on women' stuff keeps being bandied about by 'progressives', not mentioned is who's actually doing the killing.
    Some 25 PLUS million females to date dead after being 'choiced' sounds a lot more like a war on women than wanting them to buy their own abortions and some BC supplies.
    But, that's just me...

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 7:52 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    carlosrponce Posts: 2786

    What Conservatives believe in is personal responsibility.

     
  • bvresident posted at 7:20 am on Tue, Jul 29, 2014.

    bvresident Posts: 1442

    Typical Leftie-wants to mislead about the values of others in order to conceal their own lack of morals.