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July 31, 2014

No shortage of questions about Iraq

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  • kevjlang posted at 4:35 pm on Tue, Jun 24, 2014.

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    OK. I change my statement to "A default judgement against the leader of a country at war suffices as proof for you?". I saw the May 7, but didn't notice the 2003 further up the page. You still didn't answer the core of the question. I know you know that civil court has a much lower bar for burden of proof than a criminal court or international tribunal. Hence, OJ Simpson is Not Guilty of Murder, but still got hit with a huge Wrongful Death judgement.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 3:43 pm on Tue, Jun 24, 2014.

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    Kevjlang writes "A default judgement against a dead man suffices as proof for you?" The judgement was made when Hussein was alive- May 7, 2003. Saddam Hussein was executed on December 30, 2006.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 1:49 pm on Tue, Jun 24, 2014.

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    My understanding is that most were Saudi (15 of the 19). 2 were from UAE, and one each from Lebanon and Egypt. The assumed mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is either Bosnian, Kuwaiti, or Pakistani.

    Bigjim, I think you're right that if we want stability in Iraq, we're talking about occupation for at least a generation or two. In other words, nation building. Something that just about every presidential candidate in the last two election cycles pretty much agreed, with varying levels of conviction, that we should not do, and would not do.

    So, in the case of Iraq, should we be building the nation for them, or should we just be hanging around for decades being targets for every rogue group that wants things their own way, but are unwilling or incapable of working or negotiating for it? And if we are going to be a nation builder, do we build something they want and would care for, or do we build it for our own pleasure?

     
  • Bigjim posted at 10:49 am on Tue, Jun 24, 2014.

    Bigjim Posts: 354

    Are You talking about vicotry like Vietnam ,or like Korea.We either have to stay forever, or let it go.
    Refresh my Memory what country was the hijackers for 911 from?

     
  • kevjlang posted at 9:24 am on Tue, Jun 24, 2014.

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    Quite dubious that you'd latch onto that as proof that Saddam Hussein paid the families of men that crashed the jets. A default judgement against a dead man suffices as proof for you? OK. Case solved. Now what? Shall we claim Iraq as a US colony until it pays for all of the wrongful deaths from 9/11 and since?

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 5:23 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    A federal judge today ordered Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and the Taliban to pay nearly $104 million to the families of two victims of the September 11 attacks. In a 33-page opinion, Judge Harold Baer wrote that lawyers for the families "have shown, albeit barely...that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al-Qaeda" in the attack on the World Trade Center.
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/judge-iraq-must-pay-911-attacks

     
  • kevjlang posted at 5:06 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    At this point, I would think that Iran would know that sending a nuclear bomb at Israel would be the last thing that would ever come out of that vast desert acreage. There's be a lot going back in, but nothing coming out for a very long time. Their threats are just hot air, even with nuclear bomb making abilities. I question whether their military even has the tactical ability to launch such an attack. Even more, I question their ability to tactically deal with the retaliation.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 5:01 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    As far as I know, there has been no proven link between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 attacks. There were many attempts to prove that link, but nothing has come out that really even hints that there is an avenue to pursue there. Now, there may be some highly classified documents that our intelligence community has that do prove that link, but if they weren't made available to the 9/11 commission, I'd have to wonder why they haven't been put to some other use in the War on Terror and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think you just sit on juicy morsels like that for 13 years.

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:11 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    Apparently you missed Obama's "spiking the football " on that one too.
    Barack Obama declares Iraq war a success
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/14/barack-obama-iraq-war-success

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 4:07 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    Saddam Hussein got us in this mess when he paid the families of the men who crashed the commercial jets into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or attempted to.

     
  • oldblue posted at 4:04 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    the community organizer in residence at the White House got us into this with his ability to lead from behind therefore being able to leave others holding the bag.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 3:12 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    The fourth thing the writers forgot was that IRAN has sworn to annihilate Israel! The United States is supposed to be Israel's best friend. So What are we doing even talking to IRAN? Somebody better go do a little bible study!!!!! ( Or NOT).
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    I think Mr. Obama is a smart man, he has a lot of book sense, but in this cut throat world you have to have more than that going for you! You have to know a little about what goes on out there on the corner! In other words you cannot afford to let yourself get out-foxed, nor be made to look like a fool! If so, being the United States President, you would look weak to the world, and gas could go sky high, Diet Coke could go up! Allies and friends could start making contingency plans behind our backs!
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    He is not alone, this happens more times that one would thing and to many who gets involved in politics. If you look at the United States Presidency today, it looks huge and weak! Huge at home and weak abroad! The lower Mr. Obama sinks in the job, the bigger the jobs looks! The more he comes out on the wrong end of major issues, the weaker this country looks to our allies and the world!
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    There was a time Vladimir Putin would not dare do what he is doing because he would have been scared to death of what that COWBOY ( RR ) would have retaliated with. Putin is like the neighborhood bully, and if you have every dealt with one, you know straight up, that you must "BUSS HIM" in the "MOUF!"
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    If you don't ....life is going to be rough until he is put in his place. I believe Mr. Obama to be a decent man, but he has no......"BUSSING-INDA- MOUF" experience at a crucial time in history, where that is exactly what we stand in the need of in DC! Ronald Ragan as I said above would be excellent and John McCain would be close to him! If McCain was sitting in the WH,....you cannot tell me he would not gain more respect form Putin that what we are getting now!
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    One reason is he knows war, he has been trained in strategy, and he knows those around him who knows, and who he can trust! They talk the same language at critical times before a DECISION has to be made, and they WOULD not hesitate, DOUBLE-DOUBTING if a decision is or was right.
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    Think McCain would have had a Rose Garden party for a Taliban looking father who regularly texted and emailed the Taliban, speaking in their language, almost guaranteeing he would help close down the terrorist jail in Cuba? His son having walked off his assigned post more than one time, after having dropped his expensive night-vision and M16 Assault rifle and ammo, before he left. I'm waiting on the pardon from Mr. Obama for him now! I'm also wondering if each of the DEAD soldiers who got killed looking for him, and the VETERANS' who died because of greed, incompetence, apathy, and neglect, if their FAMILIES are going to get invited to ROSE GARDEN and get apologized to?
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    JBG you act like you are hot! You **& SKIPPY, I'm hot!!!!! Let me ask you this? What did the "HAG" sing? He song, "WHEN YOU'RE WALKING ON AMERICA...YOU'RE WALKING ON THE DOWNSIDE OF ME!" There it is, right there! Straight to the house!!!!! Let me get off of here before I get loose. Go find me some sports,...football!

     
  • kevjlang posted at 1:50 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    There never have been jaws of victory in Iraq. Unless you're suggesting that we colonize Iraq and construct an iron curtain around it in order to keep the neighbors out, what they're doing there today is what they would have been doing all through Saddam's rule had he been less despotic. Our stated mission there has never been anything other than to incapacitate the WMDs and enable them to establish their own, non Saddam, government. That they're currently unwilling or unable to do that is, frankly, none of our business. As long as they keep it within their borders, it's their problem. If it spills over their borders, it becomes a regional issue, first, and a global one if the regional powers are unable to keep things from escalating beyond Iraqi borders. At some point, you've got to pull the hands away from the toddler and make him responsible for his own ability to walk.

     
  • isleshire posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    I have a question: Just who got us into this mess in the first place?

     
  • carlosrponce posted at 6:53 am on Mon, Jun 23, 2014.

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    What's done is done. BO has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. His bungling has led to this situation and there is no proper exit other than to cut and run. I hate to say it but the best thing to do is leave that part of the world and shore up our own borders. Give our support to Israel and let them mop up anything that threatens. The situation BO has placed us in has placed the Homeland in greater peril. It's time to prepare.