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August 30, 2014

Candidate review process creates rift in county GOP

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  • kevjlang posted at 4:34 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 2816

    I guess the record will show that there were no significant concentrations of manufacturing or financial services operations in any of these liberal states, right? The only possible explanation must be political parties in control?

    Let's look at auto manufacturing for one. Liberals were among the many that were telling GM and Chrysler that they needed to have stylish gas sippers available so that they could compete with Toyota, Nissan, and Honda for the economical small and midsize car buyers during the times when gas prices were high. Did they listen? What happened during the times when gas prices went through the roof? Did people keep buying the bland or ugly gas guzzlers that Chrysler and GM were making, or did they buy the more stylish, reliable, and economical cars that Ford, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota were making? Why did the liberals in Detroit allow Ford to avoid bankruptcy?

    Some years back, Orange County, CA, one of the most conservative counties in the country, went bankrupt. The entire county government was conservative, but they let the lone Democrat electee handle all of the investing in high risk instruments, and when the market on those types of securities went bust, the county was a mess. Sure, that's evidence that Liberals don't manage money very well, but it's also evidence that conservatives don't mind the store well.

    What was the breakdown of conservative versus liberal governments that wilted during the S&L fiasco in the 80's?

    I'm not disputing that there was some bad government going on in these communities that have either filed for or are on the verge of filing for bankruptcy. However, there have been some really big economic dominoes that have fallen. I know that Texas has committed lots of money to companies like Toyota to move or expand operations here. What happens if a couple of these companies fall flat for a couple of years, or if they get a better offer elsewhere? What if energy had gone into a huge slump instead of autos?

    Definitely, the prevailing government philosophy is one of the variables to consider when looking at what led to these bankruptcies. However, it takes more than one variable to reach a cause-effect conclusion. It bears examination, but not at the expense of other contributing causes.

     
  • IHOG posted at 3:04 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    Some will try to claim the political party running the bankrupt cities, counties or states were not to blame when so far all were Democrat controled.
    During this recession some individual conservatives did go bankrupt but the 31 conservative states fared better and recovered sooner than the 19 liberal states.
    A dozen conservative states were never in recession but kept their economy growing. All 19 liberal sates led the country into the recession

     
  • IHOG posted at 3:03 pm on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    Some will try to claim the political party running the bankrupt cities, counties or states were not to blame when so far all were Democrat controled.
    During this recession some individual conservatives did go bankrupt but the 31 conservative states fared better and recovered sooner than the 19 liberal states.
    A dozen conservative states were never in recession but kept their economy growing. All 19 liberal sates led the country into the recession.

     
  • bjwiley posted at 5:18 am on Mon, Jul 29, 2013.

    bjwiley Posts: 18

    drumb47 - Maybe you should get your facts straight! I am not a member of the Tea Party. By the way where did you get your education? Maybe from Pro. Smith at COM?

     
  • npappous posted at 10:28 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    npappous Posts: 245

    Drumb47 - there is no one, and I mean NO ONE, that does not peg the beginning of Detroit's decline later than the 1967 riots. Including the Pulitzer winning book "The Commanding Heights" about the world's global economic policy choices government by government. Detroit hit its peak population in the 1950s - when Regan was making movies...

     
  • kevjlang posted at 7:42 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 2816

    As things stand today, the candidates that get the money the quickest have an advantage. If you don't have a good war chest at the start of the campaign, the ones that do can start canvassing all the rosy testimonials about themselves and all the half truths about the others. Once a candidate gets on the defensive, it becomes quite an uphill battle to get voters listening.

     
  • truthserum posted at 5:30 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    truthserum Posts: 462

    Ron - I think all candidates that run all do their own homework on each candidate. They choose to or not disclose that information about their opponents. Let them get the word out. The party should have not part of it. The candidates not receiving the bulk of the support eventually get the picture.

     
  • RonShelby posted at 4:54 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    RonShelby Posts: 477

    I think that anyone should have a right to run, but the GOP doesn't want an Anthony Weiner running without their knowledge. As a precaution, I would suggest they ask, and eventually publish a questionnaire on each candidate asking for a full work, education, certification, credit and legal history. They should receive full permission from the candidate to verify all. Then verify and publish the results for each candidate. Yes. Voters do have a right to know.

    This should absolutely include any currently elected officials as well, in EVERY office. Failure to disclose arrests, DUI's, guilty pleas, bankruptcies, etc... will look like the party is hiding something. Commit to pulling funding if any of these disclosures are not made and found out later.

    The Dems should absolutely do the same! I would be disappointed if they don't. In fact, I would encourage seeing both parties to voluntarily negotiate, and fund, with the League of Women Voters to oversee the process.

    This is what is known as "vetting". NOT deciding who can and cannot run under the party flag,...that's for the individual party's voters to decide. Simply disclose the information that would have motivated voters to support a candidate or otherwise have significantly raised concerns with voters in the election of the candidate.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 4:37 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 2816

    Anyone less conservative than IHOG is a RINO. If the candidate can't make IHOG look liberal, the candidate isn't worth IHOG's vote. :-)

     
  • kevjlang posted at 4:35 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 2816

    Right and wrong. We definitely don't want party chairs to steer the race. I think we do want the party chairs to pull the candidates into meet & greets, forums, debates, etc. It's not the chair's job to vet the candidates, but it is the chair's job to make sure the voters have the information needed to do the vetting. I think the chair can help make sure that there's some clear fact-checking on the claims from various candidates.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 4:28 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 2816

    I love it when people try to simplify complicated things down to one very simple conclusion.

    During the recession, many conservative families went bankrupt. Is it because conservatives have bankrupt fiscal policies, or could it be that it costs a certain amount of money to operate a household, and if the amount of money coming in is inadequate to cover the bills, you try to scale back, perhaps even sell the house. But, what happens if you can't sell the house?

    Conservative families have mechanisms available to them that governments frequently don't have--the ability to save up huge financial cushions--cushions big enough to cover the bills indefinitely during down periods. Governments, even when the laws allow them to build rainy day funds, the size of them is generally politically limited. Taxpayers don't want to pay high taxes while government swims in money, for instance.

    Sometimes, too many dominoes start tumbling at once, and no matter who's managing the money, it's impossible to get back in front.

    Detroit could be an interesting study, primarily due to its issues going back so far. Was it an issue of many years of digging deeper to pay for "wants", or did they spend too many years saving too much money by not paying for "needs" that everything fell apart, requiring exorbitant spending to restore things, or, was it a matter of too many tax breaks on an ever declining tax base that finally did them in? While it's possible that Detroit's problem is a party thing, but more than likely, we'll find that it's much more than that.

     
  • Don233 posted at 4:19 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Don233 Posts: 268

    Jason has it right. Meeks is not referred to as her highness. I don't want her speaking for me either Jason!

     
  • drumb47 posted at 2:20 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    drumb47 Posts: 244

    Jason Delgado and bjwiley,

    Your Tea Party dribble may work on some people but not on all. Detroit, Michigan, once the car capital of the World, economy has been on the decline since the late 1970's and and early 1980's. Under Ronald Reagan, the beginning of the end of the middle class began as a direct result of the dismantling of Labor Unions.

    If you two what to speak facts, bring it own. But your dribble, keep that for those less informed. That dog ain't hunting here.

     
  • truthserum posted at 12:30 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    truthserum Posts: 462

    If the republican primary is going to determine the winner in the general election then there needs to be a number of vets by several different committees and endorsements not by just the executive committee.

    Delgado arguments are nothing new - it happened in the Democratic party as well. Ask Lonnie Cox - it's the reason he moved to the Republican party.

     
  • truthserum posted at 12:15 pm on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    truthserum Posts: 462

    Were you responsible or filed on for placing an illegal mail-out for Galveston County Conservatives? Was there some question of you came up with the money for that PAC?

     
  • Jason Delgado posted at 11:57 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Jason Delgado Posts: 10

    Truthserum,
    While your hints of my 'dirty deeds' are ridiculous, your other point about Jason Murray is spot on. This is precisely the danger of granting an 'official' seal of approval to Meeks. Because certain party power brokers assured us that Jason Murray was 'chosen' and solid/qualified/et al., we hosted a meet and greet in our home for him. Imagine our horror at his downward spiral, the assault on Jane...we had promoted this gentleman to our closest friends and family based on trust that the party had 'chosen' him.

    The solution is to let the voters vet candidates.

     
  • Jason Delgado posted at 11:51 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Jason Delgado Posts: 10

    bjwiley,
    How about Detroit? Or Chicago or the entire state of Illinois; maybe you've heard about their public employees' pension fund challenges?

     
  • Jason Delgado posted at 11:50 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Jason Delgado Posts: 10

    Truthserum, let me know about those dirty things you allege I've done. Here is my phone and email: (512) 657-7189, jason-delgado@sbcglobal.net, or post it here.

    Yes, I've worked passionately knocking on doors, making phone calls, starting a political action committee and spending my own savings doing direct mail to get good conservatives like Ted Cruz elected. You can read up on my 'doings' here:
    http://galvestoncountyconservatives.com/?page_id=27

     
  • Jason Delgado posted at 11:47 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Jason Delgado Posts: 10

    IHOG, your RINO comments are preposterous and you have no idea what you are talking about. I and many other like minded conservatives are 100% for vetting. The vetting we are for is called a primary election; let the voters decide, not Barbara and her inner circle in some back room dealings.

    The purpose of a primary is to allow Republican voters to select a candidate based on the candidates' merits. That's what we're for. How about you?

     
  • Jason Delgado posted at 11:43 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    Jason Delgado Posts: 10

    One correction to Wes' article. Where it states "The process will create a “seal of approval” for candidates that the party wants and will help raise funds for the always expensive campaigns, he said", it is incorrect in that helping raise funds was not the effect I described.

    The concern is that the party will do a direct mailing to 60,000 voters that presents a notion of 'these are the candidates we approve". That type of mass market direct mailing endorsement would be very difficult for any other candidate to overcome, given the massive expense of direct mail. Thus the concern is that Meeks will use her "seal" and the party's purse to play kingmaker.

    Past performance shows this to be a valid concern:
    1.) Meeks doing direct mail and robocall endorsements of Wayne Faircloth over Bill Wallace in the last primary.
    2.) Ditto that for Kerry Neves over George Young.
    3.) and just this past week, Meeks publicly endorsed Pat Grady at the Grady campaign kickoff. Pat Grady is a nice lady but keep in mind that filing hasn't even begun for any offices yet Barbara is already telling the voters who she/the party has approved.

    Should the party chair play kingmaker during the R primary or should the voters decide?

     
  • IHOG posted at 10:47 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    RINO candidates became a problem for Republicans around 2001.
    There was no vetting process to weed them out. Any liberal wanting to increase a chance to win just called themselves a Republican.
    Liberals lying to get elected is why we need a vetting process to keep them out of office. It's really a survival stratigy.
    When too many liberals are elected Cities, counties and states are in danger of bankruptacy.
    RINO's will oppose any vetting process that reduces their chance of calling themselves Republicans and getting away with that lie.

     
  • bjwiley posted at 10:01 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    bjwiley Posts: 18

    Thanks mainlandlass. Exactly what I was going to reply, then read your reply. No futher action necessary

     
  • mainlandlass posted at 9:35 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    mainlandlass Posts: 51

    dumb47: Unless you're living in a cave & don't receive news via radio, tv, internet or newspaper, the statement by bjwiley doesn't need supporting facts. Perhaps you've been out of the country the past few months?

     
  • drumb47 posted at 7:22 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    drumb47 Posts: 244

    typo....I ment to type support.

     
  • drumb47 posted at 7:19 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    drumb47 Posts: 244

    bjwiley,

    For Histories sake, always post examples to support your statements. Anyone can make blanket statements in surport of his or her dislikes, Facts, well, that's another thing isn't it?

     
  • truthserum posted at 5:31 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    truthserum Posts: 462

    The other thing that she should be doing is recruiting good people to run.... Why has she not found someone to run against Clark? He's being/ investigated by the DA office and she doesn't seem to care that there is a general disgust for his antics. You've got to give people choice to let them discover people on their own.

     
  • truthserum posted at 5:26 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    truthserum Posts: 462

    What's interesting is that Jason Mrray was at one time the "chosen" candidate in his primary. They liked him back then even though Barbara Meeks had been told that he was the most Democratic activist from Houston. When he ran for office and lied about all of that no one from the Republican Party cared about it. I guess it was better than who he was running against at the time.

    Let the people run without the "vetting" - it's the whole point of a primary. Jason Delgado needs to be watched too. His reputation didn't come out so unscathed during the last election either.... Word is that he did some pretty dirty things too - but it's politics.

     
  • bjwiley posted at 5:15 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    bjwiley Posts: 18

    Hear, hear. Just look at all the cities going bankrupt that are controlled by the Democrats!

     
  • drumb47 posted at 2:36 am on Sun, Jul 28, 2013.

    drumb47 Posts: 244

    The iron grip the Grand Ole Party has on Texas Politics is beginning to rust. One sided government never works to the benefit of the electorate.