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October 24, 2014

Job cuts last step in COM budget process

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  • Jbgood posted at 8:48 pm on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 1955

    Mr gscoggin,
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    Yes sir, I agree with you 70 percent! Let me explain, The quality of a student leaving school is only one of the considerations a college should be judged on, the other things you mentioned should also be used as important measurements in the process also, and they are. Look at COM. ( remember you have to stay in operation if you are going to educate students. )
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    The quality of students COM were sending out into the world, and into the industries, were never in question. The way they handled and managed money, taxes, people, were. Now something is being done about that too.
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    Not to say you are in error, because you are not, all I'm saying is quality of students aside, much of what is being used at COM now is what is being used at MARATHON REFINERIES, down the street. Teamwork, is another important item which is common in business and most any quality organization doing anything.

     
  • gscoggin posted at 7:15 pm on Sat, Aug 9, 2014.

    gscoggin Posts: 133

    I've managed a large business, a small business, a church and a charity. The objective of a business is to make money, the more the better. That's a good thing. A church, a charity, and - yes - a college have a fundamentally different objective than a business, whether it's to save souls, help the poor or educate students. That's not to say that certain business principles don't apply, they do. Things like balance sheets, cash flow and capital budgets matter in all of these. They all have financial stakeholders that they must be held accountable to.

    However, in the long run, colleges should be measured on the outcomes of the students they educate. As long as their budgets stay balanced and their costs stay reasonable, meeting their educational mission is what matters.

     
  • Jbgood posted at 10:17 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 1955

    Corrections *******
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    they HE OUGHT NOT TO BE A HYPOCRIT, BY NOT PRAISING THEM WHEN THEY ARE KICKING BUTT AND TAKING NAMES! Should be :
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    ..then....HE OUGHT NOT TO BE A HYPOCRIT, BY......... ( pardon me please )

     
  • Jbgood posted at 10:14 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 1955

    Mr.gscoggin,
    The President has already finished evaluating the jobs which were or will be presented to be cut and the affects it would have on the college as a whole. Your observation was a good one but it has been done already.
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    I disagree with you saying the college should not be operated like a business. I think business concepts will work really well in a college atmosphere, and I see where a lot of them are being used now. You have to look at profit margin, credits, debits, and bottom line in college as well as in a business. If you are losing more than what is coming in, you will have to close the college, raise taxes, or fire the ones running the college and raise taxes. What is different? You have to do the same in business!
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    You have to look at Over-Head in both arenas, and figure out what level you can dispense your products and still be able to remain in business, right? So what's different? College is not free like public schools, those who attend college must pay, and everything else evolves around the product(s) the college or business is producing.
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    I was skeptical of President Lewis when she first got there, and I did not like the COM BOT either! I'm crazy about ALL of them now, Especially Delgado, who just got there and operating like she has been there twenty years! I think if a man can be critical of Public Servants when they are incompetent, they HE OUGHT NOT TO BE A HYPOCRIT, BY NOT PRAISING THEM WHEN THEY ARE KICKING BUTT AND TAKING NAMES! That is what they are doing at COM now! They should be told that they are doing good.
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  • gecroix posted at 9:59 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    A college isn't a business?

    "Business - An organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial or professional activities."

    They sell a service in return for money, and supposedly hire professionals to do that. Two out of three right off the bat...

    Burger King, a refinery, and a doctor have missions and measures of success vastly different, but all are businesses.
    Or, should be...

    NOT acting like a business should is exactly what got the local college so much in dutch.

    imho

     
  • gscoggin posted at 7:48 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    gscoggin Posts: 133

    A college isn't a business, it's a college. Their missions and measures of success are much different.

    My only request of the Board regardinga these nine positions is that they ask the Administration to describe the consequences of these jobs going away. Presumably, these people are doing something of value to COM and when you arbitrarily cut jobs without identifying the corresponding things that won't be done anymore you open yourself for up unintended consequences. (This is something that George and my long-time employer wasn't particularly good at.)

    If after considering the impact of these jobs going away, the Board decides the benefits are worth the risks, then they should cut the appropriate number of jobs. This could be any number between zero and nine. What shouldn't be done is to make cuts to meet an artificial number based on someone's perception of what the right number is.

     
  • gecroix posted at 3:58 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    I could see your credentials bet, and raise it, but what's the point...[wink]
    You simply said the same thing I did (I do note that the Process Tech classes are primarily focused on Operations, not I/E...at least, they used to be...when I was helping some of the first instructors of it get started doing so).
    Re-reading the article, I see it says the same things it did first time I read it -
    “The nine positions that we’ve suggested don’t have a lot direct student interaction,”
    "The positions are all have “back of the house” duties and would not affect student services if trustees chose to cut them,'
    Ergo, unless the P-tech classes are considered not directly involved with students, or effecting them, then it's worrying about nothing. At least, so far...
    Want to expand educational services? All for it, within the available resources, and would even vote to expand those if the malcontents and trouble makers at all levels can stay reduced. Because it's the primary job of a college to EDUCATE, not provide recreational opportunities for the community at lower than cost....

     
  • drumb47 posted at 2:01 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    drumb47 Posts: 265

    As a retired Instrument Analytical and Electrical Tech with over 41 years of Petro Chemical experience under by belt, including having run, as a 1st class operator of a Cat Cracker, I feel very comfortable making the case of the importance COM
    has played in the Petro Chemical Industry here in Galveston County and around
    the World.

    True, an individual is not ready to assume the duties of an operator as soon as they graduate from COM or any of the other colleges in the area. However, the
    training the student receives at the colleges aids in fast tracking those individuals into starting positions at the various plants.

    The expansion of COM should be the topic of the day instead of one of cutting back.

     
  • gecroix posted at 12:57 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    If student services are not effected, then the Process Tech courses won't be effected.
    While these prepare a student for the basics in process tech, or 'getting an operations job at the plant', as it is, I can assure anyone that the graduates of it, while better prep'd than 'off the street' are hardly ready to jump right in and start operating a process facility. Such thinking has caused more than a few issues in the real world work environment of a refinery or chemical plant. That is NOT saying anything bad about the ProcTech classes. Just a nod to the fact that the graduates require further OJT, field training on actual equipment, working in close proximity to equipment that will really bite you back if you srew up, not just give you a bad grade, and working with people in a real day to day environment that may not always be easy to work with when the fit hits the shan. Etc.
    A good prep - step one on the way to a career in process operations.

    I doubt that the new 'hatchet lady' knocked a hole in the pool, but someone over there is finally not just throwing money into it just because it's not their money...
    find out of a fix is costworthy, and if not, drive 6 miles over to Lowrey...
    I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that ONLY the yearly maintenance costs are far greater than the income from people using the pool....I stand corrected if wrong...
    In a business, if you give a product away and don't raise costs in other areas, you go out of business...or, raise prices for other product buyers....

     
  • drumb47 posted at 12:32 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    drumb47 Posts: 265

    Sad. The County is growing by leaps and bounds. A possible new Plant is on the horizon that will need trained technicians to fill it and COM could aid, as it once did, with this task.

    It is sad what has happened to COM since the arrival of the hatchet lady, its new President. Galveston County needs are not being met. The pool, for one, needs repairing. Seniors Citizens, who pay taxes, have come to rely on this pool as a means of physical therapy.

    Penny wise and dollar foolish should be the title instead of, "Job cut and etc."

     
  • Jbgood posted at 12:10 pm on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    Jbgood Posts: 1955

    Looks to me like COM is on the ball! They seem to have turned the corner, and somebody needs to tell them they are doing good! I elect me. I'm proud to say all of you out there at COM especially the President, are doing great!
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    Sure there are job eliminations involved, but that is a part of running a high producing business in these times, and will be in the foreseeable future. I commend and congratulate the COM BOT, and the team President Lewis has formed and heads up out there! It feels good to see tax-money being spent wisely for a change, because of TEAMWORK in action! Keep up the good work.
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    Give "dat" President a raise![smile]

     
  • gecroix posted at 11:31 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    A college is a business.
    The purpose of that business is to provide students services that educate them, in return for a fee that should cover most of such costs, and the support structure to enable those services to be provided.
    All else, is cake icing....

    T.J. what's the latest on the talks with T.C. about COM using their natatorium?

     
  • The Daily Blues posted at 8:59 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    The Daily Blues Posts: 58

    $32 million and they can't fix the pool?

     
  • paul-hyatt posted at 7:52 am on Fri, Aug 8, 2014.

    paul-hyatt Posts: 234

    If you have money left over, you might want to think about repairing things as it sounds like there might be much that needs repairing. Then if might be prudent to put a few dollars back for a rainy day and then think about cutting taxes.... I am all for cutting taxes, but that makes NO sense if you have repairs that need to be made and there is no rainy day fund to make emergency repairs....