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September 21, 2014

Sales pitch for Ike Dike gets a face-lift

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  • billnrobinf posted at 1:48 pm on Tue, Jun 10, 2014.

    billnrobinf Posts: 7

    Mr. Buckner I suspect the minds in the petrochemical industry realize that a storm surge rush into the Galveston Bay could be somewhat minimized, However, I also suspect those same minds realize there is no entity on this planet that could bottle up and hold a surge at bay until convenient, that water will go somewhere per Mother Nature regardless of an Ike Dike, flood gates, levees, 3 - 30 billion, or whatever. So, points east and west will most likely get a surge plus what Galveston Bay doesn't.

     
  • gecroix posted at 5:08 pm on Mon, Jun 9, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    wallowing...swallowing....close enough.....[wink]

     
  • gecroix posted at 5:07 pm on Mon, Jun 9, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    The TC petrochem complex already has a levee. It works...so far.
    Up the channel, the Houston folks have proposed a swing gate type surge protection device for their petrochem/docks area, have they not.. It set up an
    uproar by anyone not protected by that plan.
    The folks in freeport aren't part of any of the existing notions...
    In the cold light of day, the petrochems are WAY more important to the nation than local property and business owners are...a bitter pill, but it needs wallowing, because SOME protection of critical assets beats all heck out of NONE for anything.
    Still, the logic is small comfort for anyone losing everything they have...

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 4:58 pm on Mon, Jun 9, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1576

    Here's something that would make the Feds, the State, and all the local communities take notice: If the petrochemical biz were to say, "We gotta have it."

    But they're not saying it, are they? I've never heard them say it, and they've been here for decades. Why don't they think they need storm-surge protection? Or do they, and I just haven't heard about it. gecroix, IHOG, etc., any ideas? I'm asking sincerely.

    Ironically, they're the one entity in this discussion who easily has the bankroll to hire the engineers and scientists and lawyers, do the studies, and make a recommendation. Any takers?
    [whistling]

     
  • billnrobinf posted at 2:51 pm on Mon, Jun 9, 2014.

    billnrobinf Posts: 7

    I'm confused.
    Previous news on the Ike Dike indicated the current studies by Rice U. and Texas A&M were supported by various surrounding communities passing an approval resolution over the course of the past year. I reviewed Jamaica Beach's city council minutes as well as a couple of others. The resolution approved stated costs beginning at 3 billion and stretching to possibly 30 billion; and this was astoundingly for a clay and sand seawall 17 ft. high, 50 ft. wide. I wonder if these folks have actually been through a hurricane? I believe the flag on my flagpole would outlast that structure in a storm. And the seawall according to that news splash could not be built on private property. Just do a search to confuse yourself.

    Now, according to the latest news splash U of H and Jackson U are doing studies on the economic impact and some other poppycock. Plus this Ike Dike version is concrete with no mention of potential dimensions. Of course the political kicker here that just makes you want to pee pins is the name change so no nothings can latch on to a set of Emperor's new clothes. This garnered support if effective could shove the Ike Dike into a boondoggle of excessively spent dollars that are only available from our wallets regardless of the fictionalized amount supplied by the Feds which also comes from our wallets.

    You can bet I'll be studying that so called economic study and I'll continue to use the term IKE DIKE and hope you all do the same.

    From the Bermuda Beach beachfront - out.

     
  • gecroix posted at 12:22 pm on Sun, Jun 8, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    ...in cost hiding DEPENDS on a) ...

    I forgot my depends...something I hope I never have a need to say again...
    [beam]

     
  • gecroix posted at 12:20 pm on Sun, Jun 8, 2014.

    gecroix Posts: 3000

    "$20 or $30 billion can escalate to $200 billion or $1 trillion between elections."
    Easily. Predictably. Invariably.
    BUt, any deception in cost hiding on a)how the politicians word their 'promises', and b) how many people have the mentally capacity it takes to believe them.
    Recall the promise by our voluminously prevaricating President that the ACA would NOT cost taxpayers 'a single dime'.
    He was right. At a current guesstimate of some 1.7 trillion, and counting, that would NOT be a SINGLE dime. It will be about 17,000,000,000,000 dimes...so far.
    Makes one shudder to think what the end result of starting at 20 to 30 billion might be...[wink]
    At least people are thinking. At some point, perhaps reality will enter the thinking...

     
  • Jake Buckner posted at 11:12 am on Sun, Jun 8, 2014.

    Jake Buckner Posts: 1576

    To me this story's most important takeaway is that an organized effort is forming to pursue storm surge mitigation for the Galveston Bay area.

    Personally I think the effort is somewhat off-course, but no matter. It's going to take a full-up campaign to create any momentum, and this is a beginning.

    As for the actual project, I have the same concerns Paul list below, plus a few more.

     
  • IHOG posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Jun 8, 2014.

    IHOG Posts: 2486

    Able to borrow limitless funds has progressives proposing big spending projects.
    The feds would fund 85 % with borrowed money, local taxpayers would fund 15 % with real out of pocket earnings.
    If costs estimates run the same course as other big Federal projects $20 to $30 billion will only be seed money. After the seed money is spent more will be required to finish.
    The often used, but successful, claim that money already spent will be wasted if enough more to finish isn't approved.
    $20 or $30 billion can escalate to $200 billion or $1 trillion between elections.

     
  • paul-hyatt posted at 7:55 am on Sun, Jun 8, 2014.

    paul-hyatt Posts: 203

    Project started out at 1-3 bilion, now it is up to 4-6 billion dollars. By the time they get all of the permits and studies that will be needed and the lawsuits that will come because of the anti-developement people. The price tag will be somewhere between 20-30 billion dollars IF we are luck.... I am afraid of the amount our taxes will have to go up to support this so called project and where everyone is supposed to get this money from.... The article states that the Feds will pick up 85% of the cost and we will pick up the rest. The Feds are technically bankrupt so they will have to borrow even more money on the backs of our grandchildren which will probably never be able to pay. Then our taxes are going way up to pay for it. Has anyone thought about if we stop the water where it is going to go? There will be other communities that will drown because of this. We will end up building a dike from brownsville to Miami.... Can not imagine how many TRILLIONS that will cost if the enviromental groups and the courts even all any of it to be built....