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October 31, 2014

League City councilmen cited in fistfight

Becker, OKeeffe cited for fisticuffs in city manager’s office

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  • sverige1 posted at 5:14 pm on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3675

    Response to GalvTexGuy posted at 6:29 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013:

    Well, my comment seemed to have struck a nerve, the type of nerve that does not bode well with gun possession at a particular given time.

    Cool off, calm down. My point stands - two city officials like this should not resort to fists, esp. if this particular boring/sleepy bedroom city (LC) is trying to tout the wonders of gun ownership and "carrying". Reasonable statement - not liberal, not conservative...but reasonable. Furthermore, if these two individuals were to be "concealed" weapon holders previously, then NOW they should not be trusted with carrying weapons, and definitely not be trusted with going along with LC's insane attempt to be in the national spotlight of being concealed weapon carrying proponents.

    Call all the names you like, "full of it", "liberal"...it simply does not bode well.

     
  • winmack posted at 1:24 pm on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    winmack Posts: 42

    If the issue concerns the voters in any capacity, I see no excuse for private meetings. I realize they may legally dance around the rules but look at the results. I hope GCDN follows up with an article that digs a little deeper into why LC 's leadership allows these private meetings.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 11:30 am on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 3015

    Personnel discussions are fair game for closed doors, but, for public entities, much of anything else that requests privacy should be evaluated intensely to see if it's worth discussing if it can't be done in public. Government entities would be well advised to look for more ways to be open rather than looking for ways to go behind closed doors.

     
  • gigemkat posted at 11:20 am on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    The old Indian said, "Beware of white man with forked tongue, he speaks out of both sides of his mouth."

     
  • winmack posted at 6:28 am on Sun, Jun 23, 2013.

    winmack Posts: 42

    Mr. Lang,

    Fair enough, I agree that the private meetings can easily become an integrity issue. Some months back I sat at a Council meeting and Listened to Mr. Mann say how important Transparancy was, only to later hear him say, "In the same meeting" that he also see's the need for closed door meetings. ???

     
  • kevjlang posted at 11:24 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 3015

    winmack, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to respond to. So far, the only things I've put my two cents into on this subject are related to the side issue regarding the lack of guns in this fight, and I hope that for this fight that the guns stay home.

    On this issue, I think it's stupid to get into fisticuffs over politics to begin with.

    I do tend to agree with what Heber Taylor wrote--why was a private meeting needed for this discussion to begin with. If people had questions, why didn't they bring them up in a public meeting? Were they hoping to avoid looking like a fool while asking stupid questions, or were they hoping to get the answers to good questions so they could try to make other council members look foolish in the open meetings?

    In any event, it seems to me to be wise to ask both stupid and good questions in an open forum. Most likely, they're not going to ask many questions that others aren't also asking.

     
  • gigemkat posted at 9:52 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    Who was the "whistleblower" that leaked the private meeting info to OKeeffe and Dawson? Does League City have rules to protect whistleblowers?

     
  • winmack posted at 8:36 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    winmack Posts: 42

    Mr. Lang,

    If you are unable to respond then please call Andy Mann and see what he thinks.

     
  • winmack posted at 6:22 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    winmack Posts: 42

    Mr. Lang,

    What do you think? Should LC citizens hold leadership accountable? Is the mayor a man of Integrity?

     
  • gigemkat posted at 2:54 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    After the resignation of Dan and Dennis, there will be a secret, illegal meeting held to appoint Pat H. and Joe L. as interim councilmen, just like back in the good old days.

     
  • winmack posted at 1:06 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    winmack Posts: 42

    I have faith that Mr. Okeefe went to rhe meetimg to do his job. What actually happened between the two men causing a fight is pure speculation. I believe it is fair to say that had the meeting been 100% transparent, we would know the truth. That causes me to question Leadership.

     
  • gigemkat posted at 12:45 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    Dennis OKeeffe is a fool?

    I think the fact that a budget discussion ended in a fight between a councilman who was invited to an (illegal) meeting and a councilman who inserted himself into the (illegal) meeting is a direct reflection on how dysfunction our political system has become and for that we should all hang our heads in shame.

    The councilman who inserted himself into the (illegal) meeting was also approaching his duty to the people who still believe in Democracy.

    Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an - equal - say in the decisions that affect their lives.

     
  • winmack posted at 12:25 pm on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    winmack Posts: 42

    Did Mr. Okeefe and Ms. Sharp attempt to interupt an illegal meeting? I believe that the fat lady may be holding out on her song. Who is captian of the ship? Look at the things LC spends big money on... Changing logos from a tree that we spent aproxx. 200k defending to a sailboat. This is not Rocket Science. Leadership 101.

     
  • abmaiberg posted at 10:55 am on Sat, Jun 22, 2013.

    abmaiberg Posts: 9

    I know Dan Becker quite well and do not live in League City so I don't have a dog in this budget work. As a councilman, he approaches his duty to the people of the community as well as his fellow taxpayers of the nation as one in the same. We are broke folks and he is committed to finding the most intelligent and efficient ways to save tax dollars with a minimum disruption of services. He doesn't suffer fools and that may come across to some as being difficult and he will stand his ground. I think the fact that a budget discussion ended in a fight between a councilman who was invited to a meeting and a councilman who inserted himself into the meeting is a direct reflection on how dysfunction our political system has become and for that we should all hang our heads in shame.

     
  • Underdog posted at 6:35 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Underdog Posts: 129

    Adult acting STUPID!!! They should have gotten assault charges filed.

     
  • JT_Edwards posted at 4:25 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    JT_Edwards Posts: 35

    Ummm didn't you lose an election because of your attitude there Mick? [wink]

     
  • kevjlang posted at 1:57 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 3015

    Although guns seem to provide the testicle they wouldn't have if they had to settle it with words and fists.

     
  • Etheridge posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Etheridge Posts: 67

    Children are expelled from school for less than this. There needs to be a consequence bigger than a ticket to set an example. I voted for one of these men but now I know he does not represent my values. They both need to go.

     
  • shellypearl posted at 1:14 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    shellypearl Posts: 144

    Because the person who brought that up has to be seeking the spotlight or is a friend of Obama. Trite but true guns don't kill people, people kill people.[crying]

     
  • mickphalen posted at 1:13 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    mickphalen Posts: 379

    Gigem, This has always been Becker's style - Difference now is he has a couple of willing accomplices .....

     
  • shellypearl posted at 1:12 pm on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    shellypearl Posts: 144

    I agree Galv Tx Guy

     
  • gigemkat posted at 11:44 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    "Were Dawson and O'Keeffe notified of this meeting? Or was the mayor meeting with the Council member who are for his budget to plan making a run around the other two Council members. Does Texas have an open meeting law? If so, this meeting sounds like a violation."

    "If Dawson and O'Keeffe were purposely not notified of this meeting the people of League City have some house cleaning to do."

    Comment @ chron.com

     
  • gigemkat posted at 10:29 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    Freedom of The Press in League City?
    Freedom of Speech in League City?
    I am on my way to buy three copies of The Galveston Daily News.
    Hey TJ, keep up the good work!

     
  • Cpointe_Mod posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Cpointe_Mod Posts: 217

    *NOW* can we get some genuine journalistic investigation into what goes on in League City? Will this incident finally prompt a closer look?

    These two Councilmen are obviously responsible for their own exchange, but I believe that the commercial news media also bears some responsibility for what happened here. The media has an ethical watchdog type role in American society, and that function serves to significantly curtail tensions by compelling everyone to remain on the up-and-up. But when that store is not properly minded, it contributes to mounting tensions. Which, in turn, makes it more likely that inappropriate releases of tension will occur.

     
  • Lyra Mitchell posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    Lyra Mitchell Posts: 46

    I feel bad for O'Keefe. Sounds like he was trying to do his job, and got a fist in the face for his efforts. Is he just supposed to lie down and let the alleged bully pummel him? He had to defend himself if that was the case right?

     
  • abknape4 posted at 9:07 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    abknape4 Posts: 46

    Was it at least a good fight? or one of those sissy fights? Could Dana White have made some PPV money on it?

     
  • mickphalen posted at 7:59 am on Fri, Jun 21, 2013.

    mickphalen Posts: 379

    After the coup, Becker will name himself Dear Leader, Theiss will be Secretary of Armaments, and Bentley, Director of Technology.

    Welcome to the Banana Republic of League City.

     
  • DottyOA posted at 9:17 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    DottyOA Posts: 204

    Wow! How embarrassing can this be to LC, not to mention the two "nuts" who wanted to whup some ass. Come on folks, believe in what you believe, be firm in what you believe but let the others have their beliefs, too. Run these two nuts out of town.

     
  • kevjlang posted at 7:44 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    kevjlang Posts: 3015

    I think the more valuable statistics to look at would be what percentage of the total population those 63,679 represent and what percentage of all CHL holders that 120 represents.

     
  • GalvTexGuy posted at 6:29 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    GalvTexGuy Posts: 63

    You are so full of it. It does not happen "quite often in our society."

    Concealed carry permit holders are the least likely to pull a firearm during any kind of altercation. In fact, the Texas Department of Public Safety published a list of crimes committed in Texas in 2011 by everyone convicted and by those convicted who also held CCLs. The bottom line: Concealed carry permit holders commit less than 1% of the crimes. If you want to be exact, they committed two tenths of one percent of the crimes in 2011. And not all of those involved firearms or violence. The data show that 63,679 people were convicted of a long list of crimes. Of those 63 thousand, only 120 were CCL holders.

    So, before stating something is a "very plausable (sp) scenario", get your facts straight instead of spouting off with your liberal drink-the-KoolAid propaganda.

     
  • gigemkat posted at 6:08 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    The Mayor said "They (council members) showed up and we had a quorum,"

    Transparency and open government is alive and well here in League City, Texas! NOT!

     
  • gigemkat posted at 5:57 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    Mayor Tim Paulissen said, "We need to move forward as a team to get better communication between our members of City Council."

    Our team will be comprised of myself, City Manager Mike Loftin, the city's financial officer, Becker and Councilwoman Heidi Thiess.

    Joanna Sharp Dawson and OKeeffe, you two are not part of my team.

     
  • gigemkat posted at 5:46 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    What began as a political argument in League City turned to fists flying Wednesday at City Hall.

    When the dust cleared, Council members Dan Becker and Dennis OKeeffe found themselves holding misdemeanor citations for disorderly conduct-fighting, handed to them by League City police.

    Council members were at City Hall, 300 W. Walker St., to discuss the city's planned $48 million-plus budget for 2013-14 with Mayor Tim Paulissen, City Manager Mike Loftin and the city's financial officer, the mayor said.
    The three city officials planned to meet with Becker and Councilwoman Heidi Thiess, when two other council members appeared - Joanna Sharp Dawson and OKeeffe.

    "They (council members) showed up and we had a quorum," the mayor said. "All I can tell you is that an altercation did happen between Becker and OKeeffe. The police were called and citations for disorderly conduct were issued to both."
    By Robert Stanton - June 20, 2013 - Houston Chronicle

     
  • JackieM posted at 4:23 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    JackieM Posts: 16

    I'm sorry cougargator but to me it just shows that these type of situations don't only happen in La Marque like everyone thinks. It happens in every city. I really don't see where slamming La Marque has to do with your incompetent Board memebers. Do you think just because people live in League City it can't happen there as well? No there are good and bad people in both cities.

     
  • gigemkat posted at 4:13 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    They have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

     
  • sverige1 posted at 3:25 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3675

    Response to shellypearl posted at 1:43 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013,
    Response to Nickl posted at 2:15 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013:

    A very plausable scenario - Two city officials (or anyone else) progress into a heated discussion. One (or both) become irrational (as in this case) and one of them lets his emotions get the best of him. The fist fight turns more violent as one reaches for his gun from his holster.

    This "is an example of how concealed carry could get out of hand". Happens quite often in our society.

     
  • cougargator posted at 3:21 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    cougargator Posts: 203

    You pay zillions in taxes in League City for these morons! Maybe they need to move to LaMarque and run for the school board.

     
  • gulfcoastexan posted at 3:20 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gulfcoastexan Posts: 32

    It not, unless other posters seek to twist it.

     
  • Nickl posted at 2:15 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Nickl Posts: 6

    How is this an example of how concealed carry could get out of hand?

     
  • shellypearl posted at 1:43 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    shellypearl Posts: 144

    sverige1.......coulda' shoulda', woulda', Comon, that is a pretty thin statement regarding our 2nd amendment. I agree this was a bad example of city government, but that does not mean there is going to be a meeting on Main St. to see who can draw the quickest. REALLY[ohmy]

     
  • gigemkat posted at 1:41 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gigemkat Posts: 186

    When watching the Live Streaming of city council meetings, I have witnessed the, "school yard bullying" by more than just one council person. Not just Dan Becker.

     
  • Mojeaux65 posted at 1:05 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    Mojeaux65 Posts: 7

    Yeah, that's a real headscratcher. Where's the transperancy? And where are the concequences for such horrible conduct from two city leaders??

     
  • miceal o'laochdha posted at 12:22 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    miceal o'laochdha Posts: 541

    At last, something entertaining...

     
  • sverige1 posted at 12:07 pm on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    sverige1 Posts: 3675

    And folks in this municipality, a few weeks ago, desired to "go national" about the wonders of "carrying" concealed weapons? And, our 2nd amendment, by golly, must not be compromised? Here's an example right in our back yard to how routine concealed weapon possession could get out of hand. I can see future stories: a "mere fist fight gets out of hand, weapons drawn."

    What a terrible example to show to our county, state, and nation. Geez, folks out in suburbia sure do get hot under the collar. They need to take a chill pill and go sailing in one of those new League City "city-insignia" motif boats.

     
  • gogrannygo posted at 11:17 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    gogrannygo Posts: 26

    Becker is a bully. I don't know who is at fault for this fight, but anyone can watch council meeting videos to see that Becker bullies the other council members.

     
  • mickphalen posted at 10:42 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    mickphalen Posts: 379

    not unexpected - - looks like someone finally stood up to Becker's arrogant bullying ...

     
  • kt49erfan posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    kt49erfan Posts: 11

    Kids get expelled for this type of behavior. Maybe these two "gentlemen" should be expelled from their positions on council. Come on guys - we expect more!!

     
  • TJ Aulds posted at 10:11 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    TJ Aulds Posts: 62 Staff

    Zmmom we are asking about that as well.... Thus why we noted it in our story

     
  • TrebleClef posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    TrebleClef Posts: 316

    Yes zmmom that should be a concern but two electd officials going at it like a couple of kids should be of equal or greater concern as well. Kind of unbelievable.

     
  • zmmom posted at 9:50 am on Thu, Jun 20, 2013.

    zmmom Posts: 36

    What should be of the most concern is why were there a select few discussing budget issues after an already cancelled meeting?